Pistols at dawn it is good sir 🔫 😬

theres a shift in the culture

Well woll you describe yourself as manly right? What makes you so manly?

dudes short, dudes cute, dude probably has feelings towards things he doesn't want to admit, but hes still dominant through competence

my elevated testosterone count, I have to shave twice per day 😦

We're really headed back to biblethumping

And "evolution is just a theory"

how so?

well its classified as theory, because thats how you call a current method science accepted 🤔

This absolute bonehead way of talking about anything.

Gravity is also filed under theory

Sorry, back from a phonecall

scribbles if you dont agree with it then add your voice

you consistently are opposing, without adding

I meant toxic masculinity as in wimpy bitches who stand for nothing, but they're muscular and suave, yknow? Like, BE something

Bottles of testosterone aren’t inherently manly. What is product of testosterone making you manly wol?

Scribble just wants to have attention by being disruptive, just ignore him

@da britian the hairloss 😛

@Vigil /fit/ can be a good example

Like, I see so many people my age so passive and self-absorbed, and it's like, come on. Help fix things if you have a platform

not always but occasionally

help fix things?

mmm

sometimes, people "fixing things" that arent broken, are the problem

do you mean in regards to being somewhat centrist-left

In general, most guys my age regardless of political alignment sit on their hands and mention things occasionally at the bar but don't do anything

what can one do though ?

So, old people loose hair & they ain’t manly, it is kinda hard to see why you would consider manliness a quality worth having wol.

besides speak out between buddies

what should they do exactly? and what is it that you do, that makes you excempt from that category?

@da britian its Male pattern baldness, not just general baldness, MALE only 😛 so manly

It looks like three debates going on at once

It's not just *one* though. Like, they'll feel the same things, but nobody collaborates or tries to get people together to actively make change. Me? I try and get the word out on things, bring discussion to the table, work on action plans. But nobody wants to contribute, they wave it off as "Well WE can't do anything." Maybe we could, if we tried

>pretending certain women don't lose hair

smh omg

Cancer patients do

Lol

it happens to women as well just won't notice it as readily unless you look for it in 60+ group tbh

All old people lose hair

And young people with conditions like cancer or diabetes

male pattern baldness isn't "all over" though just the top

I'm actively self-educating, and getting my feelers out, learning as much as I can about the world and how it functions so I'm in an educated position to try and give myself a platform and give a voice to the people who do nothing, as well as promote active change through speaking with local representatives and getting discussion going on issues that matter but don't get attention, on top of challenging unhealthy aspects of society everyone accepts but I believe are problematic

if you have all over, its just general baldness

Well, at least, things that are accepted by the mainstream

fair point cipher :D

So why do you insult men as soy boys if that is the best you can hold up as being manly wol. It seems pretty worthless to hold that over them.

Its the internet Britain, I don't even KNOW anyone who actively promotes soy

tbh in my circle soyboy is a compliment

I'm not a little punk bitch who's gonna sing a bit then do nothing but snort coke and fuck fans, I'm actually gonna try and bring people together to make changes and not just talk about them. I wanna give more of a voice to the voiceless, and hope to the hopeless, yknow? As gay as that sounds. And I'm not saying I'm gonna SUCCEED, since that's a very big thing to say. But I'm here, making a dent. And if a few more people throw themselves at the wall, maybe something will stick

@Vigil so you talk about the problems? but do you actually do something about it?
you say you are in an educated position, thats kind of subjective, educated on what? not on organizing people it seems, you need specific skills, or a talent to be able to bring people together and actually do something good for the world, imo its very rare
most people just live their lives, and pretend that they are doing something good

idk where you guys are at but sounds kinda gay and outdated

If you wanna talk about genuine "manliness" its about willing to choose, and standing up for yourself, be confident

And you don't have to be a bodybuilder testosterone tank to do that

Soy people are a meme, not reality

@Dr.Wol i agree with this, i'd tip hat to you if i could over the internet.. and i had a hat to tip

what thing do you want to change anyway? it sounds so newspeak... "i wanna change the world", it sounds very utopian and adolescent like
which is fine, but... i dont wanna burst ur bubble, its hard to change things, and if you want to change something that other people think shouldnt be changed, then maybe ur in the wrong location. idk (i mean, maybe the surrounding people, are not like you, not that ur in the wrong place here)

Willing to stand up for waht is right,

Being prepared (and sometimes actively) sacrificing yourself so that other people don't have to

I'm still young, Aghost, so I'm still in the process of getting educated. I'm a vocalist and study philosophy, history, economics and politics in my own time. I'm only nineteen, so I'm still getting there, I start my degree in just under five weeks. But my goal is to actively try and tackle problems by bringing attention to them through my music and having a personal interaction with those in the general community as well as those who enjoy my music, to bring people together over things they might not have realised they had in common, encourage discussion and formulate a plan to actually get our collective voices heard by government through campaigning

Good point, I've been a little vague. Generally I want to promote values of freedom and intellectualism, since we're moving into a very reactionary and consumerist state as a society and people make quick judgements instead of investigating the validity of the information they take in

this seems like european hours,i wish all you reasonable and decent people fairwell and many good tidings i need to sleep

I'm in the UK for reference

i am so sorry

Most of my city is gang territory and the police have closed tons of stations, London has all the money, people are focusing on emotions and not looking racist more than actually tackling crime and other issues, and in general things are sliding downhill

hmm

get a gun

that sounds very familiar to how amsterdam is doing now btw (im from the NL)

dont pay your taxes

Well I do want to tackle the concept of “toxic masculinity” a bit wol. Because I could take concept you mentioned to such extremes that they are destructive instead of something as nice as what you mentioned.

I'm not gonna be another bitch who sings and stands around doing nothing. That's what inspired me to step up, yknow? Seeing all these fucking assholes singing a bit, acting fake-deep and then openly admitting that they're just doing it for drug money and girls

get a gun for self defense and to what ever you can to avoid paying taxes

fuck the system

No

Not fuck the system, FIX the system

Yes britain, terrorists blowing themselves up for their faith (because they see it as right) is a flaw in what i said

Anarchism is retarded and counterproductive

and antifa etc

system needs to be rebuilt

for that it needs to crash

It just leads to a kratocracy

corruption has grown roots into the gobt

No

Heres the main Issue though Cipher, You need a solution, not a goal

elections are slow

@Vigil well in that case, i'd just not try to worry too much about changing people or the world. still have the mindset of improving it in any way you can, but dont beat urself up over the fact that many people surrounding you dont have this vision.
i think its rare, maybe for your age or your enviroment.
try to find some like minded individuals, maybe start a book club, networking etc

A goal is a good starting point though

I feel you, Aghost

A solution... I'll get there. I still need to self educate to the point where I can start proposing solutions

a goal is bad, a goal is too vague and can become tainted

Well what is a solution without a goal then?

a solution without a goal is a fix 😉

I'm a nineteen year old who up until two years ago couldn't operate a toaster due to my overprotective mom, yknow? My knowledge is decent but I still need to learn practical skills and how the world works in order to not make things worse for the people I wanna represent

I'm not doing anything until I'm ready to do anything because I don't want to let myself or the people I wish to help down

Remember this:
Lefties think in goals (We must get equality, stop racism) but they don't know how, just "we must achieve X"
Right wingers think in systems (We must have freedom so ideas can roam) but thats not inspirational

Ultimately both sides want the same thing, Improvement, but one wants to find Any fix to one problem, and the other wants One fix to any problem


Neither will work together as a result, find a solution in which you can get both working together

hence its a SOLUTION

Yeah but if someone sets fire to a house without reason, is that a solution?

Either way, people have more common ground than they think; we all want better. So the key is to remind people we're mostly a well-meaning people

a solution needs a reason, but it doesn't need a goal

Give people faith in each other again

And make abhorrent anyone who stands in the way of rationality and peace

hehe i had an overprotective mom as well :P hehe somewhat
yeah its rough man, i dont know exactly how it affected you, but i feel like i havent been out confronting chaos enough
if thats the case for you as well, then you might wanna try putting yourself in unfamiliar situations to correct it slowly

But not in a fascisty way, in a "Okay come back to the fold when you grow up but otherwise don't get involved" way

I'd recommend you go look up "Real coffee with Scott Adams" he does daily livestreams about current events and talks about society problems / fixes etc

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfpnY5NnBl-8L7SvICuYkYQ