which provides us with things sans reason

which we thus gotta take on faith

I think there's a set of moral values that produce better results, and that these are our moral absolutes

even theough the underlying systems are evolutionarilly supported

Not everyone does, and that's not tabula rasa

I think its safe to say that SJW is a necessity in China

Wot

Watched Tim's video on what China is doing to it's Uyghur Muslims

The sad part is that this is basically common knowledge, as the Chinese government is doing the same thing to it's Tibetan population

Right but I don't see why China needs communists and Twitter activists as a result

i betya you can not give me a single moral absolute, to use your term, that absolutely produces better results

I would absolutely argue that free speech does this

if such a thing was possible, it would be baked into out brain, as hardcoded as our heartbeat

the counter to free speech is the numerousness of unwilling to learn ignorant masses

The fucked up part is that nobody cares about the (non violent?) Tibetans but cares about the violent Muslims.

@Ace K i think i know what you mean, but "SJW" in the colloquial speak isn't what you meant

That's not how evolution works

*notes the trend towards liberalization from authoritarianism across history*
Ok

But most of the Uyghurs aren't even terrorists Stefan

(btw i think the unwilling to learn ignorant masses results are worth the price of free speech, its just not absolutely true)

I mostly referring to what is the today's term for SJW, which is basically a catchall for people with leftist leaning and progressive viewpoints

People do care about the Tibetians. But they aren't getting as much attention at the moment because they're not fighting as hard. Remember all the fights during the Beijing Olympics?

its only true when the damage is less then free speech is worth

Engineer, do we have any goddamned twitter shout-outs to give out?

I don't think China needs western progs either, tbh

@Ace K i think you are looking for better human rights, not SJWs

I would say the net result is positive either way, Cytos

no one needs these SJW types, which is why they gotta create their own demand

Indeed, Ottobon, I mispoke so I apologize.

i think most would argue SJW and actual Social Justice has parted ways decades ago

you can claim the result trends to a positive result sure

i agree with that

but its not always true

Social Justis is not possible!

not absolutely

I would disagree

Because people are different.

Re: cytos, not re SJ

Really, the issue is far larger. No amount of "human rights" is really going to resolve the core issue in China.

The two groups are *really* distinct.

Remember the 80's, when so many conservatives and neoliberals claim that implementing capitalism will allow people to transition to democracy and human rights? Boy were they wrong.