People do care about the Tibetians. But they aren't getting as much attention at the moment because they're not fighting as hard. Remember all the fights during the Beijing Olympics?

its only true when the damage is less then free speech is worth

Engineer, do we have any goddamned twitter shout-outs to give out?

I don't think China needs western progs either, tbh

@Ace K i think you are looking for better human rights, not SJWs

I would say the net result is positive either way, Cytos

no one needs these SJW types, which is why they gotta create their own demand

Indeed, Ottobon, I mispoke so I apologize.

i think most would argue SJW and actual Social Justice has parted ways decades ago

you can claim the result trends to a positive result sure

i agree with that

but its not always true

Social Justis is not possible!

not absolutely

I would disagree

Because people are different.

Re: cytos, not re SJ

Really, the issue is far larger. No amount of "human rights" is really going to resolve the core issue in China.

The two groups are *really* distinct.

Remember the 80's, when so many conservatives and neoliberals claim that implementing capitalism will allow people to transition to democracy and human rights? Boy were they wrong.

and yeah pratel

you cant imagine a situation where someones free speech causes an injustice?

That's why I am supportive of the two groups having their own nations

which would make it non absolute

nO

I can't imagine free speech producing a worse society

ye but you talking averages again

@Ace K OK, but that's really distinct from needing Social Justice running around.

absolute means something else i think

I can imagine someone using their speech to cause injustice, but that's not the free speech itself causing it

@>Cytos, de lieve goede synth LOok at the Media how they portrayed the Chemnits Demonstrations.

"The democrats have gone nuts"
"Donald Trump was an improvement"
"...they're socialists, they're communists, they really do hate America" - Tim Pool, far right commentator

True Pratel, like I said earlier, I mispoke and messed up on what I was saying, so I apologize.

Me right now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFkAAvDkj9k

so i still stand by my possition, there is no moral code that is absolutely true

@Ace K how were they wrong? capitalism helped the average quality of life and although there are still tyrannical institutions generally this increase the outlook towards liberty/democracy people eventually look towards even if they live in a tyrannical society

in every situation, at all times

just codes that are on avergage more true then others

How very nihilistic of you

@Ace K Adding to what Ottobon is saying, there's a distinct subculture in China right now among the young that's very different.

It should be allowed to criticize the State and Religions but at the same time it should not be allowed to outright lie about a person.