some great discussions going on there

Now

give an example of it dismissing genuine problems

You mean like how to teach men not to rape people?

which is a genuine thing?

That's legitimately a topic I saw seriously discussed on there last time I viewed it

Yeppers. You have a problem with educating people about consent?

I have a problem with it being aimed at men specifically. And assuming that men don't know what rape is is frankly ridiculous

4) A pluralistic society involves interest groups like feminism and the MRA working together to shape policy, and by the compromises made, society is defined by the collective self-interest of the people through groups representing them

At this point it should be obvious that when feminism refuses to work with us that they are against the supposed "equality" they argue for

@InsaneCaterpilla that is not what it is. It is about the form of rape known as "misinformed belief in consent". Not deliberate rape. And while it should be aimed more at both genders, the current meme around rape makes that challenging

@Rai quite a few feminists are good with mens advocates when they understand what it is. I have changed a few minds myself, I would know

Describe "misinformed belief in consent" for me

@PM_ME_UR_PC_SPECS In my experience it's always the rank-and-file feminists that are fine with the MRM, even the segment that's split away from feminism

Meanwhile, the ones with big, glamorous positions in interest groups, aka the ones that actually matter when it comes to shaping policy, are almost 100% against us

@InsaneCaterpilla http://criminalnotebook.ca/index.php/Honest_But_Mistaken_Belief_in_Consent

@Rai so we need to talk more to these "big glamorous feminists"

@Rai what's quite disgusting about that is that the reason they do it isn't for the benefit of women, not that it doesn't achieve that. It's self advancement. Without having something to fight against they lose their notoriety and position, and even if they don't, they have to share power on their platform which involves losing some of it

@PM_ME_UR_PC_SPECS I see you aren't denying that the 'average' feminist gives credibility to those at the top and follows many of their opinions

First part is unfortunately true, and the second part is also unfortunately true

@InsaneCaterpilla It's the downside of a system like the one we have now. Corrupt people care more about funding than actually solving the issues they took the job for in the first place

Unfortunately true also

I gotta roll for now, see yall later

Take care

I was over at r/againstmensrights and found this little tidbit.

Statement: “Gay men are more likely to be the victim of hate crime than lesbians or bisexual women”

Response: "Who, disproportionately, commits those hate crimes?"

What are your opinions?

Humans do. Better kill all of them and let the animals take over.

Heh. Regressive, I like it.

The best response is that men and women are not collectives

Even if men are hurting men or women are hurting women, this does not stop it from being a men's or women's issue, respectively

It also doesn't stop it from being a serious problem that needs to be addressed

And while problems faced by gay men, lesbian women, and bisexual women are all real

Given limited public funding, priority should be given to the problems facing the most people, in this case gay men

How does that sound? @Silver_The_Bard

Sounds half built.

To be honest.

Is just awareness suppose to help the situation?

Hummm.

Does pointing fingers at an entire sex help the situation? Does it take away from the discrimination those men endure that it's at the hands of their own sex?

Tbh, what you ran across there in against men's rights isn't aimed at finding any kind of solution. It's just finger pointing.

Men and women both should receive the same support when they are victims of crime, but services and support are disproportionately given to the female sex. This needs to change.

There we go.

Solution would be to stop seeing it as Gendered and start just recognising it as Victim and perpetrator... not like that’s saying something that everyone didn’t know already, also I had a looksie over at r/againstmensrights... I feel like they are looking at a completely different subreddit to the rest of us :T

https://twitter.com/pwnned__lol

So

what do we all think of this particular chap?

His YT channel seems a little off

and being on a FBI watchlist is rather interesting

Never heard of him before

Who is he?

u/blueorange22 u/Mallago

Think both accounts are of him

I was/am in a discord with him.

I'm not suoer actuve with it anymore

He's a little "off". Hyper paranoid sometimes but he's generally ok.

Why's he on an FBI watch list?

Although TBF when @PM_ME_UR_PC_SPECS did dox us all I can't blame him.

Still not cool PM but I forgive you

Wait wha?

Who's doxxing who now?

@James

@PM_ME_UR_PC_SPECS did a while ago while in a Twitter argument. Only first and last names of the 4 of us at the time so not a big deal as I dont hide my first name but it was definitely a lapse in judgment.

Hmmm...

Blueorange22 freaked out though and started going off on some spiral about @PM_ME_UR_PC_SPECS being an infiltrator trying to wreck things from the insode and work for Feminists

@PM_ME_UR_PC_SPECS I've spoken to him a few times

If he's the same guy I'm thinking of

Aspiring actor. Says his agent digs the MRA thing

@James We got doxed?

This happened on Twitter apparently

That's not great. How did that happen?

A group of people got into an argument. I'm not positive but I believe this was before the discord was made.

Hmmm

I'm not seeing how your names would just get thrown about in an argument. Can you tell me what happened?

Not me, I dont use social media... Best to wait for james or concern troll to get back mate

Alright then.

But don't worry, it wasn't *us* that got doxxed... Apparently just a couple people who already knew each other, who come here

Oh okay

That's a relief,.

Well, for you guys anyway

I'm still not happy if it's true.

Yea I had to clarify what was meant when I saw the little thing about that

This is a great point to remind people to give out their personal information to random strangers whenever possible.

😉

Also please get into vans with free candy written on the side :D

What could go wrong amiright?

XD

@Men Are Human no not you. Just me and the guys who have access to the MRA Central Twitter

He was trying to prove it wasn't just him on the account.

So they asked for names and like a muffin he gave them

For me it's not a huge issue as I've shown my face in public at events and I've got nothing to hide. In very open with my views even though I work with all women.

But for the others I could understand there's a worry.

https://youtu.be/VNdZcegK1lQ

I keep watch of posts in the feminism subreddit. I nearly spit out my coffee with this one. Love the lack of references.

What are your thoughts?

I've never understood the reason behind intersectionality. It's just humanism with an agenda to shut people up.

It just causes division

It's essentially a way of telling white people to back off as [insert whatever group here] has it worse and it will have that effect until everyone is a victim of someone else so as to not be the oppressors of another.

I can understand the point to an extent, the struggles faced by different groups of the same gender are different, so different solutions may be required, however because the oppression olympics is so big now it just turned into labels that people could put on themselves for a few extra points

"the struggles faced by different groups of the same gender are different, so different solutions may be required". So, this happened in the worker's movement. Their answer was to focus on the problems that were shared first, but then also to **identify with** each others problems as their own even if they didn't have that exact problem. Their answer was *Solidarity*.

Sure intersectionality describes a real thing, but intersectional politics is ass-backwards, with as a concept "you can't identify with my problems because they are not your own".

The intersectional approach is fundamentally hostile to unity, and that isn't just a symptom of oppression olympics.

@PM_ME_UR_PC_SPECS can we continue that meme thread here?

BTW, who is chanty... Big Red?

Yes

She gives me an 'autistic' vibe. I think she is mentally ill withstand a side of extreme anxiety.

So who wants to debate the debating stuff?