Message from @PM_ME_UR_PC_SPECS
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Same with the MRM
2) The MRM primarily cares about men while arguing for equality, by definition
correct
3) Only feminism has tried to shut the MRM out of the discussion. We've been trying to work with them for years
r/menslib does it fairly well
r/menslib dismisses genuine problems men face in society
They're an arm of feminism
Sorry to interject but have you seen menslib?
@Rai right
Yes I have. I actually prefer it to r/mensrights right now
some great discussions going on there
Now
give an example of it dismissing genuine problems
You mean like how to teach men not to rape people?
which is a genuine thing?
That's legitimately a topic I saw seriously discussed on there last time I viewed it
Yeppers. You have a problem with educating people about consent?
I have a problem with it being aimed at men specifically. And assuming that men don't know what rape is is frankly ridiculous
4) A pluralistic society involves interest groups like feminism and the MRA working together to shape policy, and by the compromises made, society is defined by the collective self-interest of the people through groups representing them
At this point it should be obvious that when feminism refuses to work with us that they are against the supposed "equality" they argue for
@InsaneCaterpilla that is not what it is. It is about the form of rape known as "misinformed belief in consent". Not deliberate rape. And while it should be aimed more at both genders, the current meme around rape makes that challenging
@Rai quite a few feminists are good with mens advocates when they understand what it is. I have changed a few minds myself, I would know
Describe "misinformed belief in consent" for me
@PM_ME_UR_PC_SPECS In my experience it's always the rank-and-file feminists that are fine with the MRM, even the segment that's split away from feminism
Meanwhile, the ones with big, glamorous positions in interest groups, aka the ones that actually matter when it comes to shaping policy, are almost 100% against us
@Rai so we need to talk more to these "big glamorous feminists"
@Rai what's quite disgusting about that is that the reason they do it isn't for the benefit of women, not that it doesn't achieve that. It's self advancement. Without having something to fight against they lose their notoriety and position, and even if they don't, they have to share power on their platform which involves losing some of it
@PM_ME_UR_PC_SPECS I see you aren't denying that the 'average' feminist gives credibility to those at the top and follows many of their opinions
First part is unfortunately true, and the second part is also unfortunately true
@InsaneCaterpilla It's the downside of a system like the one we have now. Corrupt people care more about funding than actually solving the issues they took the job for in the first place
Unfortunately true also
I gotta roll for now, see yall later
Take care
I was over at r/againstmensrights and found this little tidbit.
Statement: “Gay men are more likely to be the victim of hate crime than lesbians or bisexual women”
Response: "Who, disproportionately, commits those hate crimes?"
What are your opinions?
Humans do. Better kill all of them and let the animals take over.
Heh. Regressive, I like it.
The best response is that men and women are not collectives
Even if men are hurting men or women are hurting women, this does not stop it from being a men's or women's issue, respectively
It also doesn't stop it from being a serious problem that needs to be addressed
And while problems faced by gay men, lesbian women, and bisexual women are all real