how does it being light and compact make it ineffective stand alone

It just looks so *small* every time I see a dude with one in a picture.

Nigga

Maybe they're all big dudes or something but that shit doesn't look easy to shoulder properly

It's an updated thumper I can throw on my rifle

It isn't that bad

The 203 isn’t that bad either

It's not *bad* but we have *better* options for both roles. That's all I'm saying.

It could stand a better mounting system though

And the 302 can take longer grenades

Wait, I wasn't aware of this. Please elaborate.

So I’ve been told anyway

I might be wrong

Boy did you think we have been using the same shells since nam?

I mean

I wasn't aware we weren't using the same dimensions.

why would we

In general have shells gotten bigger or smaller then?

Bigger and more optimised

So the 320 can use bigger still 40mm nades than the 203.

Longer

AFAIK

Does that mean they pack more punch? Better range?

Both

More go

And different shell types

That said the 79 looks coolest

Respectfully disagree.

You can get HE, HEDP, flare, smoke, gas, more

Thumper with the sawn off stickn

Stock

Didn't all those exist for the 203 though?

Not as effective in a shorter case

I didn’t know they made HEDP for the man portable launchers

Pretty sure

I thought that was just a mark 19 thing

Maybe?

You've never played ArmA 3 with mods clearly

Its shit hedp but it is hedp

That's like saying ashs grenade is real

That was a joke Swamp.

@FireRising *16 gorillion different 556 mags*

Oh Christ please no

That said, everyone has different opinions on how to use grenade launchers, or indeed, rifle grenades, in combat

BTW I used to like taking a basic bitch M4A1 and then grabbing the 100-round saddle drum tracer mags.

And unlike most other things there’s no clear best one, at least as far as we know

My squad never knew how I hosed my targets with so much lead.
But back to rifle nades yeah

Is a dedicated platform worth losing a rifle for?

Is it better to give everyone rifle grenades like the French?

Or is a simple underbarrel the best way to go?

Honestly I'd say the best option is the most cost effective one. What can give your men the most increase in their capabilities without spending on it disproportionately?

Well, probably rifle grenades

What can use the most different loads?

Probably rifle grenades

Underslung launchers probably.

Beyond has

*gas

Yeah, but think about this: you can fit a larger charge to a rifle grenade

At the cost of range

Or have a proper HEAT round

so you say that the most cost effective option is best, yet you advocated using 2 different systems for rolls that can be filled adequately with one

But which is the best one to settle on?

It might turn out that as with all things, there is no easy answer and the best answer may vary greatly by the resources of a country, the locales it might have to fight in, and the place those grenades might have in the doctrines of the army fielding them.

France and Yugoslavia used rifle grenades to very good effect for decades

France still does

they use an anti personell one and a HEAT one

Everyone else has gone between a dedicated platform and an underbarrel several times

Yeah for the FAMAS

But will those work on the 416?

they work on the NATO standard rifle grenade mounting

far as I can tell

This discussion will go nowhere. For now let's agree that this question is probably more complex than any of us have anywhere close to sufficient qualifications to make any meaningful arguments.

worst case they can add a new muzzle device

the only reason you say that is cause you're wrong but ok

Man fuck you

As I said above.

It might turn out that as with all things, there is no easy answer and the best answer may vary greatly by the resources of a country, the locales it might have to fight in, and the place those grenades might have in the doctrines of the army fielding them.

Deadass I don’t think there’s a right answer yet

All of the systems are effective in their own right, it’s not like some other debates

There probably is no true infantry grenade projector master race.

Or at least, not with the current state of affairs.

Bottle launcher with molotov? 🤔

Bottle fields are based on the following principle: a tank drives through a field and crushes several self-igniting bottles, which cause fires and detonate nearby bottles. The tracks throw the burning fluid up on the tank's armour. The tank is forced to stop and is destroyed by tank destroyer teams. A burning field will also cut off infantry from its tanks.
A bottle field can also be used against infantry that is attacking without tank

The same bottles were launched in this Zuckerman bottle launcher

I thought this was <#508382218612375565>

I guess a minefield isn't exactly a gun

The problem with all of your arguments is that you're all trying to figure out which is the best GL system and none of you are taking in to account the role of the GL.

The best GL is the one that fits the current role best, and so far the current role is force multiplier.

It's like a BAR or StG44 in WWII, except you can stick it on all your rifles

So by that metric, you want something that can fire whatever grenade you have for as little cost, weight, and ergonomic disruption as possible

Standalone launchers are niche weapons with few applicable roles, so fucking up your UBGL to make it ammo compatible with a standalone is fucking dumb.

Just make your standalone GL fire purpose built ammo out of a purpose built launcher like the Mikor MGL.

@RoflTank what about a modern BAR? Mag capacity at 20 or 25 to make things a little more easy on the guy that has to carry it, long barrel for standoff engagements, but in a round like 338 lapua to make up for the smaller mag size? The barrel and reciever would be steel to make sure its durable but other parts of the firearm could be made out of high durability polymer to help cut down on weight more

As a force multiplier I think it could work well. I don't intend it to replace the SAW for whatever nation chooses to adopt it so the spergs that are gonna come around and reeeeee about it not being belt fed can fuck off

But... the magazine size and the weight of the gun are some of the main reasons why the gun is obsolescent

That would be heavy as fuck

Also smaller mags add up over time compaired to just throwing belts in a nutsack pouch

These are the same kinda guys who thought bringing back the M14 for use in Afghanistan was a good idea

We had the EBR because we didnt have enough m110s to give out

Suggesting an open bolt box fed machine gun in 338lap is utter silliness