Message from @Reichtangle

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2018-11-14 22:22:33 UTC  

Is it better to give everyone rifle grenades like the French?

2018-11-14 22:22:58 UTC  

Or is a simple underbarrel the best way to go?

2018-11-14 22:23:10 UTC  

Honestly I'd say the best option is the most cost effective one. What can give your men the most increase in their capabilities without spending on it disproportionately?

2018-11-14 22:23:44 UTC  

Well, probably rifle grenades

2018-11-14 22:23:49 UTC  

What can use the most different loads?

2018-11-14 22:23:59 UTC  

Probably rifle grenades

2018-11-14 22:24:02 UTC  

Underslung launchers probably.

2018-11-14 22:24:02 UTC  

Beyond has

2018-11-14 22:24:05 UTC  

*gas

2018-11-14 22:24:25 UTC  

Yeah, but think about this: you can fit a larger charge to a rifle grenade

2018-11-14 22:24:28 UTC  

At the cost of range

2018-11-14 22:24:45 UTC  

Or have a proper HEAT round

2018-11-14 22:24:48 UTC  

so you say that the most cost effective option is best, yet you advocated using 2 different systems for rolls that can be filled adequately with one

2018-11-14 22:25:29 UTC  

But which is the best one to settle on?

2018-11-14 22:25:33 UTC  

It might turn out that as with all things, there is no easy answer and the best answer may vary greatly by the resources of a country, the locales it might have to fight in, and the place those grenades might have in the doctrines of the army fielding them.

2018-11-14 22:25:44 UTC  

France and Yugoslavia used rifle grenades to very good effect for decades

2018-11-14 22:25:53 UTC  

France still does

2018-11-14 22:26:03 UTC  

they use an anti personell one and a HEAT one

2018-11-14 22:26:04 UTC  

Everyone else has gone between a dedicated platform and an underbarrel several times

2018-11-14 22:26:09 UTC  

Yeah for the FAMAS

2018-11-14 22:26:20 UTC  

But will those work on the 416?

2018-11-14 22:27:18 UTC  

they work on the NATO standard rifle grenade mounting

2018-11-14 22:27:32 UTC  

far as I can tell

2018-11-14 22:27:34 UTC  

This discussion will go nowhere. For now let's agree that this question is probably more complex than any of us have anywhere close to sufficient qualifications to make any meaningful arguments.

2018-11-14 22:27:47 UTC  

worst case they can add a new muzzle device

2018-11-14 22:28:01 UTC  

the only reason you say that is cause you're wrong but ok

2018-11-14 22:28:07 UTC  

Man fuck you

2018-11-14 22:28:22 UTC  

As I said above.

2018-11-14 22:28:24 UTC  

It might turn out that as with all things, there is no easy answer and the best answer may vary greatly by the resources of a country, the locales it might have to fight in, and the place those grenades might have in the doctrines of the army fielding them.

2018-11-14 22:28:28 UTC  

Deadass I don’t think there’s a right answer yet

2018-11-14 22:28:52 UTC  

All of the systems are effective in their own right, it’s not like some other debates

2018-11-14 22:29:24 UTC  

There probably is no true infantry grenade projector master race.

2018-11-14 22:29:46 UTC  

Or at least, not with the current state of affairs.

2018-11-14 22:35:04 UTC  

Bottle launcher with molotov? 🤔

2018-11-14 22:41:12 UTC  

Bottle fields are based on the following principle: a tank drives through a field and crushes several self-igniting bottles, which cause fires and detonate nearby bottles. The tracks throw the burning fluid up on the tank's armour. The tank is forced to stop and is destroyed by tank destroyer teams. A burning field will also cut off infantry from its tanks.
A bottle field can also be used against infantry that is attacking without tank

2018-11-14 22:41:37 UTC  

The same bottles were launched in this Zuckerman bottle launcher

2018-11-15 00:19:12 UTC  

I thought this was <#508382218612375565>

2018-11-15 05:14:49 UTC  

I guess a minefield isn't exactly a gun

2018-11-15 09:44:44 UTC  

The problem with all of your arguments is that you're all trying to figure out which is the best GL system and none of you are taking in to account the role of the GL.

2018-11-15 09:45:10 UTC  

The best GL is the one that fits the current role best, and so far the current role is force multiplier.

2018-11-15 09:45:49 UTC  

It's like a BAR or StG44 in WWII, except you can stick it on all your rifles