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But fortunately it seems largely to be a dud

Thomas @thomas

The Capitol is one block, but you underestimate the distance.

Let's hope the weather remains clear

The Capitol is one large block, larger than a normal one, but i would be concerned if there was a large gathering of opposition on any part of the city the same day were assembling

Thomas @thomas

I asked around both sides of the extant protest, and cops in the area. No one seemed to know of any impending protest or cause for such.

Thomas @thomas

The security on that side of the building is insane. No protest moving from there to ours, police knowing about us both, would be able to get anywhere close without monstrous blockading efforts from a literal army of police.

All mounted around those tiny windong streets on north/south side of Cap complex would effectively be a bottleneck

Thomas @thomas

Yes.

Very tired, time for bed. Good night, looking forward to seeing @all tmw

Thomas @thomas

Note: Benjamin WI will be making a "false" (not actually false" 911 call right after the box trucks depart. He will cite that there is a protest, he sees shields BUT NO WEAPONS, and everyone involved appears to be behaving peacefully, waving and handing out flyers, nonetheless he is a concerned citizen and suggests the police take a look into it to ensure everyone's civil rights are safe. He will add that it looks like we just arrived from the metro.

This will soften the police up before our big visual contact on the bridge, and provide a little confusion and misinfo that's within the realm of honest dialogue.

Thomas @thomas

The call is from a burner.

Better round up to a thousand just to be safe

Benjamin WI @PF-8943

I am about 3 hours out.

Benjamin WI @PF-8943

Making good time, except for wolf's smokebreaks.

Thomas @thomas

Message @NS - Grant MD when you have a new ETA.

@Benjamin WI Vincent TX too

Benjamin WI @PF-8943

Sent to both.

Benjamin WI @PF-8943

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Benjamin WI @PF-8943

Just sharing as an FYI. No clue who posted.

Michael TX @PF-8485

Photo from yesterday?

Michael TX @PF-8485

Someone who arrived early

Benjamin WI @PF-8943

Talked to Thomas. Its a sons of Columbia pic from a month back.

Benjamin WI @PF-8943

@Thomas @Michael TX See Tech Team channel.

Benjamin WI @PF-8943
Benjamin WI @PF-8943

They think we have an infiltrator.

Benjamin WI @PF-8943
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Benjamin WI @PF-8943

These 4 were following the march. I was super far back and they asked me if i was with the march. I said no. Then they noticed my hat and called me a fascist and said something about "if we were in france". There were a million cops around so nothing happened. They took my pic (had a medical mask on so no biggie) so i took theirs.

Benjamin WI @PF-8943

Braindump from Jason NY

Benjamin WI @PF-8943

At 3:40pm the box trucks departed the lot. 5 mins later there was a white minivan (newer) that that drove from the rear of the parking lot to the front taking pictures of license plates.

Benjamin WI @PF-8943

He believes that the white minivan was already there when you guys arrived.

Benjamin WI @PF-8943

Nothing else after that until the main vandalism. John VA and Rodger VA were present at the time the vandalism occurred at 5:25pm.

Benjamin WI @PF-8943

John and Rodger VA were present in the lot during all the car vandalism but didn't seem to even know the vandalism happened.

Benjamin WI @PF-8943

Jason was in his car when they vandalized it. He was on his laptop and distracted and could provide no description of their vehicle. He noticed paint being sprayed on the windshield and a gun pointed at him through the drivers side window. They then painted it and he immediately started his car and drove off.

Benjamin WI @PF-8943

There was potentially more members with the 2 VA guys named above. Jason NY is a bit stresses and scatter brained at the moment.

Benjamin WI @PF-8943

What were all these guys back at the lot for in the first place?

Thomas @thomas

@Benjamin WI We can cross reference those pictures with descriptions from the drivers and Jason to see if there are correlations. The attacks did not occur until we had long left the Capitol complex.

Thomas @thomas

@Benjamin WI The second group seemed to arrive very late to the Exchange and simply got lost, and were very complacent.

Thomas @thomas
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Thomas @thomas

Vincent WA was in these channels.

The "planning" chat had a reference to a checkpoint but no direct addresses.

Possibilities: He got the address(s) from a second infiltrator, or he got them off-platform.

Benjamin WI @PF-8943

I think we have a few bad apples. This was a well planned and risky action on their part. Shows they are totally focused on PF now.

Benjamin WI @PF-8943

We will have to improve our practices to get to the next level. These leaks are becoming a genuine safety issue now.

Thomas @thomas

@Benjamin WI Start getting a list of questions together to form an investigation. Christopher and Norman AL are key contacts because of Norman's dox and their experience in the march. Samuel VA is in this channel so is obviously to be consulted. John WA should be consulted for a dossier on Vincent to gather ideas.

Thomas @thomas

Sound good?

Benjamin WI @PF-8943
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Benjamin WI @PF-8943

Just to archive, here are the first bridge feds i mentioned seeing.

Benjamin WI @PF-8943

I just arrived home.

Thomas @thomas

Woo!

Benjamin WI @PF-8943

Got like 200 emails to sort through but i am gonna start brainstorming after that.

Michael TX @PF-8485

I believe returning to using passenger vans over cargo vehicles should be considered. This would eliminate the need for a vehicle exchange entirely - no personal cars at risk. There would be no parking lot with large conspicuous rental trucks to be found and attacked. Lodging location direct to dropoff. Vans could have dedicated drivers and be constantly moving, or be parked much more subtly in a location everyone attending the event wouldn't know.

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Vincent WA - [REDACTED], member of the PS John Brown Gun Club

John WA says that Vincent was a model activist; "Since she joined he came out and did any and all activism with us. He did it all day. Any day we asked. Even bought materials, or did it without being promoted, and organized it. He was extremely good and helpful. More so than most that have come into my network."

He had to proactively work for us for months to establish his cover.

That's a level of boldness that I think 99.9% of antifa lack. I think it's maybe due to his owm physical imposingness as well his firearms training. He may discuss his lessons learned with other members if John brown gun club to attempt infiltration

Thomas @thomas

I think the accomplice theory is getting some legs unless the tech sec eval yields some specific results.

Thomas @thomas
Benjamin WI @PF-8943

If we can't account for Vincent WA having the address of the vehicle exchange there is definitely a second.

Michael TX @PF-8485

Server was restored from backup.

Benjamin WI @PF-8943

Just a quick update, the tech team is off and running with a good plan IMO. @Thomas If you have time to discuss some process related items with those guys it would be good to call a meeting. They want to change the activism channel submission (I agree) and video submission (I am not aware of the process). But if you want to mumble on it later tonight that would be fine and I am available.

Thomas @thomas

As far as I know there is no security issue with people uploading stickers to activism.

Benjamin WI @PF-8943

It is an obvious way to track who did what, where and when. It is staring us right in the face.

Thomas @thomas

It's so obvious because it is so benign.

Benjamin WI @PF-8943

Hey, non-dox'd members are concerned. I don't think this is a time to argue for less security personally. I know people have swung to the "fear" side of things based on the leaks, but I don't think it is something I would resist personally.

Benjamin WI @PF-8943

Concerns would be 1) raw photos available to everyone. 2) location with name and time 3) Patterns being developed in activism 4) Dox content

Benjamin WI @PF-8943

@Thomas Did we ever look into Jack VA's messages and see if they revealed anything?

Benjamin WI @PF-8943
Benjamin WI @PF-8943

They posted a bunch of screenshots, regional chat channel it looks like. Unfortunately some of the content will likely not be ideal it seems. Screenshots back to July 31st.

Thomas @thomas

It's arguing for not doing huge effort things when there's tons on the plate and sticker pictures are entirely irrelevant to the extant security concerns. We can't afford to organize by committee or respond to hysteria.

Thomas @thomas

Vincent WA
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hearing ideas is what ppl should be doing rn

Thomas @thomas

it

"future publishing" sounds like screenshots from rocket more than doxxes

embarrassing sure, but hopefully not harmful

Thomas @thomas

I believe the conduct in the NW channel was excessively jovial and this will reflect poorly.

well I just told all my guys that if they ever took it to the gutter like that they would be out so fast it would make Patrick casey's dress fly up

Benjamin WI @PF-8943

Don't waste time in your 20's and 30's kids, things change after that and I see the emptiness in alot of peoples eyes after 40. Even a lot of them with kids, they never accomplished anything on their "dreams" list, so they don't help their kids do that either. Sad state of affairs.

Benjamin WI @PF-8943

After 40 you guys can troll on the internet all you want. Save that for later. :)

Wise words. Thanks for being the man you are Uncle @Benjamin WI . Love ya

Thomas @thomas

@Benjamin WI Interview Christopher AL/Norman AL to see if they could be good on this team. I would only choose one since they're so nearby and any local tasks could be shared.

Thomas @thomas
  1. I didn't force the driver to do anything. I was asleep myself. It was a unfortunately relaxed standard which was based on a single person's reliability, and sometimes mistakes are made and others are unaware. No one was at fault because the driver himself was the one who brought help to the scene.

    2. Many members went to his funeral and some maintain contact and support with his family.

    3. I wasn't in a coma, I did not defecate in a bag. I was in anesthesia for surgery. I used a standard toilet for solid waste after some time in the hospital. Patrick was not a registered nurse at the hospital during this time.

I know all this, I posted to show that now that is floating out there. Not much we can do just ...tragic.

Thomas @thomas

I feel it important to explain myself regardless considering the weight and poisonous quality of the accusations laid out against me.

You will never have to explain yourself to me, brother

it is felix

lawrence fl already confirmed this

Benjamin WI @PF-8943

Never liked that guy. One of the most negative people I have come across.

Benjamin WI @PF-8943

Hey guys, been an extremely crazy week for me getting caught back up. Lots of bs to deal with. I have been brainstorming alot of stuff though, Thomas we should discuss things, or we can discuss as a group at some point soon.

Thomas @thomas

@Benjamin WI Can I have a bulleted list of your thoughts? The investigation and other planning matters have not slowed down in the week and we should ensure we're not retreading ground.

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