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Yep, just gotta have time to type them up.
Ok, I just got heat back on in my garage. Now I need to shovel snow. After that I will drop some ideas here.
I am in mumble just hanging out too if anyone wants to chat.
@Benjamin WI Vincent has a separate call where important things are being discussed.
Idea 1) We do a "gut check" on all members. We did this last National and narrowed things down to like 15 people I think. This would probably take like 4 hours to complete.
How would we do that check?
Idea 2) Thomas with your permission, I would like to get a small group together to start doing some proactive research on the antifa in the regions where we 1) are being constantly mentioned on twitter 2) where we have had previous infiltrations 3) where we will have any likely upcoming demos. I would like Sam VA to help. We aren't looking to dox anyone, we want to gather up all the pics / info etc.... of these groups to have the local ND review look at all the pics and see if they match up with any of their members, applicants, etc. This could have shown us this WA situation pretty easily.
Thinking VA, MD, WA, OR, CA, etc...
Proactive stuff is good but we need to end existing leak(s) right now.
Idea 3) We gotta review all the event planning process, and get on a 100% need to know basis. I think we could do alot better at this, too many people have info way in advance. I know it is handy to have lots of eyes on a plan, but this is becoming a physical safety issue now. Thomas you may be somewhat resistant to change, but we gotta get better to get to the next level. I want to help.
Way fewer knew about any of the locations ahead of time than IDay.
Maybe six, plus myself.
We're looking into removing all phones from the process fully and going fully into radios and convoys.
Dearest Thomas, I am just braindumping here. You don't need to respond immediately bro.
Idea for security at a VE is to keep at least 3 there with spotlight, siren, basic body protective items. Anyone comes up they're lit up, car alarms go off, they get photographed, cops are called via a burner, and if they continue they're pepper sprayed.
It's bad if the cops decide to be aggressive towards the defender, but still fewer doxes and expenses than we're dealing with now.
Random other notes: 1) I was told there were no pat-downs. 2) We seem to have people discussing firearms in WA, this is bad. 3) The timeliness of the events needs to be held, what is causing delays? 4) Not sure about a potential "dox prevention" group, seems useless if people just follow the guides but if people need to be told or shown how to do the joindeleteme stuff or have specific needs I think we have people that can help with that.
Also disinfo and honeypots. We could leak into to Felix / Chuck and I can guarantee it will be in antifa's hands. Or something like an accidental post with a server link to "leadership.patriotfront.us" or something and see if anyone bites.
- Correct, but all phones were taken. One per head. Full pat downs and bag checks at the next one. Would take another hour or two.
2. I am aware of the misconduct, give me some names and I can cite violations.
3. The police and the tire slashes caused all the delays aside from the original 1.5hr backup, which was caused by getting into uniform and getting flags set up, getting cars lined up and drivers briefed. An additional 30+ minutes was traffic en route.
4. Would be largely useless if guides are in place, yes.
Drilling took the longest, understandably. I want to get to the point where we do not need to drill for more than an hour to prepare for an action.
It hasn't been brought up yet but one of the biggest collapses in security I see was members being handed back their phone at camp before lining up to head to VE
But im sure you're already aware that was a misstep
@ND - Samuel VA I thought Michael brought that up, but definitely I heard that. They need to be in tinfoil in a lockbox.
The choice was done so that phones would not be in one big box in case of an emergency. If all the phones were in a single crate at the VE (like they were last time), and that got stolen or destroyed, we'd be in a worse situation still.
I believe moving forward we're going to take 100% of phones and supplement with burners and radios for the whole event. Someone's job is going to be guarding the box the whole day at camp.
Vincent TX should be added I think
Also, may be a hunch but Atlanta antifa are about as vocal as rose city; Norman is the only one doxxed that wasn't west coast. Is it possible that our second mole is in the newly formed nw6 region?
Christopher is already on that.
There is a very good likelihood that My dox is imminent.
This is likely in regards to this;
Not much to go on.
My Alias within the proudboys was always "Ganz", "Delta Ganz" or (older) "deus vult ganz" (pardon the cringe). Around the time of my "incident" early 2020 there were proudboys (tarrio) who had been given my real last name by law enforcement investigating, and he let it slip to a few unfriendly types. There are links, if they dig enough through proudboy chats they might be able to make them. That being said it would really just be a name and a face
My general location likely could be id'd from my amount of activism in virginia beach/norfolk area. Possible flyering campaign by antifa. My job is likely secured, though my profession could probably be identified as engineer
The Tech guys seem pretty sure that we've done what we can in investigating current breaches. They're all set to task on various updates and improvements to the internal structure.
@Thomas If you want to go over some very basic settings on your PC, happy to do that. We did this a couple years ago, but your PC may have changed.
Stop and Disable the "server" service. Unbind "File & Print Sharing" from your wireless and wired adapter. Run Malwarebytes on your workstation (turn off all the cloud submission stuff). Delete any saved wifi networks from your profile that you don't recognize.
There are a bunch of other things for Windows 10, not sure if you are using that. Likely though.
@ND - Samuel VA That NYCAntifa post is suspect for sure. Do you know why they would be looking into you now?
The Tech Team has basically turned into the "leak hunter" team. That works great right now, but in the future I would suggest we break that "proactive" research stuff into a different group (my suggestion from a few days back). But no need to do that now, lets keep that team going because they are coming up with lots of good and creative ideas.
@ND - Samuel VA If you know of a page on the internet that references you, check to see if it is archived (archive.is, etc...). If it is it will tell you when it was and then you will know.
Personally I would purchase Malwarebytes but that is a free version. Best anti-malware out there. The MSS tool link is more something you would use every so often (maybe quarterly) as another level of checking.
@Thomas when it comes to planning m4l, how are we going to contend with the fact we will likely end up in direct confrontation with the opposition who will be anticipating our presence?
With Chicago, all protesters are in a pig pen and cops will separate, we will have defensive posture if we're even on that side of the plaza.
With DC, there will be so many thousands of people that we will be merged with the crowd, and I do not believe it likely that anarchists will try to attack us outright in a crowd of 80k christians and so on. Even so, we will have the ability for a defensive posture.
When you say defensive posture, do you mean shields or formation? Shields and shinguards will not be a good look for us (obviously), but any planning for these demos should game out the entry/exit strategy as well as how to deal with different confrontation scenarios. One good Idea would be to have extra hats and neck gaiters, as it may be a strategy to unmask our activists
No, I do not mean a shield wall.
@Thomas Just a random idea I thought of. Do you think if we did an open records request for info related to our march it would show the local antifa calling the police? It would be nice to show them working with the police against us. You know the Torch people are, they probably work hand in hand with the feds. But anything showing that someone called in and gave them all the details of the march would be pretty intersting.
I don't think it would, but I don't know how those work. Could take months, and it's DC, so who knows how much stuff gets censored. If you know how to file one of those, could not hurt us.
Maybe the Media2Rise guys could file one? Since their names are public right?
Not technically. Rundo isn't in the US and idk if Lucca is a real name.
Mason could, but not sure if it would harm the address.
These guys had someone either with them, or following them. Not sure if you picked them up at all or anything like that?
Just wondering why NYC antifa would latch on to this so quickly.
I had nothing to do with anyone getting picked up from the airport I believe this is just nyc antifa boosting the Washington doxes
Ok, just wanted to make sure.
But the fact they were being observed in the airport needs to be vetted
Trying to look out for ya bud.
It is extremely possible at this point that someone's phone is hacked with some kind of observation software
According to John Vincent WA had access to what flight they took out (he was supposed to book). Some antifa literally had to have bought a plane ticket and camped out the gate where their flight was out of
Yeah, and maybe took the flight and then they ended up trailing them for 4 hours to the campsite. They do reference the nearest town to the campsite in the latest dox.
They even know the circumstances of their ride/flight back
There is a lot of unanswered questions
Vehicle exchange
Truck Waiting site
Camp approximate locatiin
They also named the "light shield team" in there.
It all seems to be emanating from the one WA guy primarily, but they either really leveraged him to 100% for all this or they had other people.
@Thomas Do we have a list of people we deactivated since Vincent WA?
And the guy that was at the vehicle exchange in the White minivan, who was that again and do we 100% trust him?
I find it strange that Jason NY says a white minivan was there and was taking pictures of the license plates, and we happened to have someone there in the same type and color vehicle.
I will be very concerned if pics or detailed descriptions of the campsite start coming out. So far none, but now that they named the city, it seems like they would have had the exact location and someone there.
@Mike ID arrived early, and he was heavily involved in the planning of IDay and the SLC action. No leaks or issues. He also managed our radio comms. Was never out of my sight.
Ok, just wanted to make sure.
Mike was also giving us reports before we entered the lot saying there were no cars, but Jason says there were cars when we showed up.
We're doing mostly tech updates which is great, but we still have not actually laid out the details of the social aspect, which will actually tell us where the remaining security leak is. We've already confirmed that these leaks were not of a technological nature.
@ND - Samuel VA You're the only one also not on the tech team. Get with Vincent and Jason and start cross referencing the pieces of information that came from leaks until we end up with a list of suspects.
@Benjamin WI here is my summary list of "unanswered questions". Let me know if you can add to this:
Vehicle exchange location
Truck Wait site location
The nw8 meeting time (mumble)
National call meeting time (mumble)
Camp location Unionville
Light shield team members
What The drive back for nw8 was like
@ND - Samuel VA That looks like it to me.
@ND - Samuel VA Jason has a spreadsheet similar to this.
@ND - Samuel VA If you are around join mumble.
@Benjamin WI any other unanswered questions?
@Thomas Matthew MN was removed from the Tech Team it looks like. Is there a security concern there?
Because he is in other groups.
I believe he's leaving the organization because he's worried. Or soemthing.
It is hopefully not something that becomes an issue or a "Felix" type situation.
Vincent will be making sure that he is excluded from everything.
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