New Atheism holds absolutely same values as Calvinism, it only differs in an esoteric narrative, which adherents of these two Ideology don't suspect at all

Btw all of this was response to @Salt and @diversity_is_racism

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meh strong dogmatic ideology - that is the only answer to individualism and nihilism (however you want to define it); I'll work with communism if I have to, so long as it provides a unified, stable society

the "Classical Liberals" are correct when they say it's not about left vs right as much as individualism vs authoritarianism, imo

Communism, as we knew it, provided superficially "unified" society, but not unified in sense of pursuit of higher collective heights

But "unified" in a sense that everything was mashed up according to top-down directed materialistic-economic plans

Once completely separated social stratas got mixed up in a one giant genetic and social melting pot

Resulting into a drastic fall of our GENERAL (And i repeat, general, that means average) performance

You had populations of shepherds being movet into great agrarian areas to become farmers

You had farmers moed into cities to become burreaucrats

You had burgeoisie completely annihilated

You had different tribes and different social stratums intermixing in a way that was previously simply unimaginable because of established social curriculum and social norms

Correct, and it may well be that it could not work - but I am not defending it, just saying that I would rather return to Yugoslavia than embrace Westernized libertarian ideals of an ego-based culture.

Naturally a more traditionalistic/nationalistic variant would be my first choice.

But theoretically speaking.

So I am not speaking about socialism from a "free market" viewpoint, I'm speaking obviously against Bolshevik collectivization

The reason why we never recovered from Bolshevism is that any base from which recovery could happen was either annihilated or intermixed with the "average"

This world has changed.

It has changed so fast..

Interestingly enough, those parts of Yugoslavia that were in this social engineering virtually untouched (Because Bolsheviks didn't hate them as much as they hated us), Slovenia and Croatia, recovered more easily

Even though Croatia recovered only slightly, which now seems to be slowly reverted

To an extent. It is possible that recovery ends up being a curse rather than a blessing.

I imagine Croatia will be halved in population soon.

Not that we are fairing much better sadly.

faring*

But yes @Bloodborn the world is changing incredibly fast

I mean Ideological wise @Slav

Socalism was the ideology of factory workers and farmers snubbed by corperations and corny government.

Now you look and it's an urban ideology where rich kids are taught to by richer professers.

They protect their elitist masters from ridicule as well!

Croatian emigration only recently started to be significant, without yet causing huge trouble

Those people could return

To be fair, that is a very different strain of socialism.

Serbian emigration started in 1945 heavily and continued

It comes from a different state of mind.

I know, it's just such an odd thing to see.. There are no more socalists left in the US that were these old Factory workers and Farmers...

Any Communist and Any Socalist generaly have either rich parents or are rich themselves.

@The Enlightened Shepherd - I'm sure some people might return, but too many lose their identity. God knows how many Serbs there are in the world today that abandoned their heritage in the past 60 years.

In a country of such abundance, wealthy spoiled brats are the only ones willing to buy communism.

It's.. Fucking Ironic...