i'm fine with countries adding them to existing laws if they find them to fall within those laws

They have to be consistent though

not adding new laws just to target these

It’s not gambling, it can’t be with the way the transaction is set up.

I'm anti regulation, but if you're going to regulate, it has to be across the board, not just the specific version you don't like

how so? and wouldn't that depend on how the law is written?

So if randomized prizes are now gambling we have to yeet TCGs and those randomized toy dispensers

I don't wanna see some shit like "only for software XD" have some principles and stick to them

there is a difference however, a big one: the ability to trade with other people for the item you want

No, gambling requires 3 elements. Chance, Prize and Consideration. No chance is ever seen by any player.

So Valve's lootboxes are fine

what are valves lootboxes?

You can trade your skins

oh, the CS:GO crap?

Which created a giant grey market

yes

TF2 as well

just like the hats

They are because they don’t set a market price on the goods, rather take a % from each transaction, allowing the market to set value. Protected by second sale doctrine

Hats and weapons, and the cards

A casino makes sure a blue chip is with x$

So then the issue wouldn't be lootboxes, but the existence of a second hand market

Or rather the lack of one

"Chance, Prize and Consideration. No chance is ever seen by any player."
what does this mean?

if there is an ability to trade, i do believe lootbox style stuff is not nearly as bad, and would be closer to trading card games

Exactly, against TOS. Im working on a series from the AUS committee. Out of no where, the “chairmen” starts talking about wow gold.. you who want to regulate are being used as pawns lol

Lol

I kid you not.. and the expert who was talking at the time said yes, that needs to be looked at “because of the ability to sell and buy on illegal 3rd party website”

its already illegal

tf they gonna do?

Make it 18+ in aus

isn't Australia already like the most annoying market to sell games in?

Yes

It's a terrible market for consumers

Prices are high, the Australian government are a bunch of puritan babies

The thing about it is, when you look into how they say gambling is “bad” and “addictive”.. that’s 100% bullshit. Its based of the fixed ratio vs variable ratio study that is horse shit. 100% bullshit study that was used in the loot box AUS com.

Also many games don't have a proper Aus/SEA server so you get 200ping minimum

Like you're on fucking dial up

my problem with most lootboxes is that they are dangerously close to modern slot machines, which i do believe are problematic as they use social engineering to maximize money spent and minimize money put out that in some cases is tailored to the user

I'm West Coast so I run into a lot of Aussies and Kiwis in vidya

lootboxes are not that bad yet