Message from @Grenade123

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2018-09-23 21:31:49 UTC  

nope

2018-09-23 21:32:00 UTC  

thought it was dumb from day 1

2018-09-23 21:32:14 UTC  

i've been a grumpy old man since high school apparently

2018-09-23 21:33:06 UTC  

Damn, I made a rap diss about a dude over a topic he keeps making vids on while ducking a debate on it. So I went cringe rap in hopes of getting attention to it before laws are passed

2018-09-23 21:33:36 UTC  

Jim Sterling and loot boxes

2018-09-23 21:35:36 UTC  

I have no idea what his position is because I never watch his channel

2018-09-23 21:35:46 UTC  

Where you @ on lootboxes?

2018-09-23 21:35:52 UTC  

Regulate them as gambling

2018-09-23 21:36:18 UTC  

No he is regulate

2018-09-23 21:36:24 UTC  

I’m anti regulation

2018-09-23 21:36:34 UTC  

Oh OK lol I was confused for a sec

2018-09-23 21:36:39 UTC  

Lol

2018-09-23 21:37:01 UTC  

i'm fine with countries adding them to existing laws if they find them to fall within those laws

2018-09-23 21:37:13 UTC  

They have to be consistent though

2018-09-23 21:37:21 UTC  

not adding new laws just to target these

2018-09-23 21:37:34 UTC  

It’s not gambling, it can’t be with the way the transaction is set up.

2018-09-23 21:37:39 UTC  

I'm anti regulation, but if you're going to regulate, it has to be across the board, not just the specific version you don't like

2018-09-23 21:38:07 UTC  

how so? and wouldn't that depend on how the law is written?

2018-09-23 21:38:17 UTC  

So if randomized prizes are now gambling we have to yeet TCGs and those randomized toy dispensers

2018-09-23 21:38:46 UTC  

I don't wanna see some shit like "only for software XD" have some principles and stick to them

2018-09-23 21:38:47 UTC  

there is a difference however, a big one: the ability to trade with other people for the item you want

2018-09-23 21:38:56 UTC  

No, gambling requires 3 elements. Chance, Prize and Consideration. No chance is ever seen by any player.

2018-09-23 21:39:08 UTC  

So Valve's lootboxes are fine

2018-09-23 21:39:28 UTC  

what are valves lootboxes?

2018-09-23 21:39:34 UTC  

You can trade your skins

2018-09-23 21:39:42 UTC  

oh, the CS:GO crap?

2018-09-23 21:39:46 UTC  

Which created a giant grey market

2018-09-23 21:39:52 UTC  

yes

2018-09-23 21:39:54 UTC  

TF2 as well

2018-09-23 21:39:59 UTC  

just like the hats

2018-09-23 21:40:15 UTC  

They are because they don’t set a market price on the goods, rather take a % from each transaction, allowing the market to set value. Protected by second sale doctrine

2018-09-23 21:40:16 UTC  

Hats and weapons, and the cards

2018-09-23 21:40:42 UTC  

A casino makes sure a blue chip is with x$

2018-09-23 21:40:47 UTC  

So then the issue wouldn't be lootboxes, but the existence of a second hand market

2018-09-23 21:41:10 UTC  

Or rather the lack of one

2018-09-23 21:41:10 UTC  

"Chance, Prize and Consideration. No chance is ever seen by any player."
what does this mean?

2018-09-23 21:41:56 UTC  

if there is an ability to trade, i do believe lootbox style stuff is not nearly as bad, and would be closer to trading card games

2018-09-23 21:42:06 UTC  

Exactly, against TOS. Im working on a series from the AUS committee. Out of no where, the “chairmen” starts talking about wow gold.. you who want to regulate are being used as pawns lol

2018-09-23 21:42:38 UTC  

Lol

2018-09-23 21:43:18 UTC  

I kid you not.. and the expert who was talking at the time said yes, that needs to be looked at “because of the ability to sell and buy on illegal 3rd party website”

2018-09-23 21:43:33 UTC  

its already illegal