Apparently infanticide is distinct from abortion in her view, she's so certain about that, and it's convenient that it lines up directly with the current legal and political distinction between foetus and person.

What I'm saying is that the American educational system requires you to have some actual agency

As a scientist i actually CAN tell you when life starts being sacred 😉

Heres a clue, it isn't

@Dr.Wol never

yeah, that's the thing.

I wans't actually thriving in CC, I wasn't all that smart or mature, but I had a thing called an IEP that said I graduate after senior year no matter what

damnit! you already got the clue 😛

It's true though

Life is death!

So regardless of the failing grades I got they dumped me out at 18

And death is nothingness!

She seems to at least pay lip service to the idea that lives have inherent value; but thinks she can defer that judgement to the academy.

Well, she's a liar then. Because life doesn't have value

The academy will surely tell the politicians, who will tell her when taking a life should cause a criminal trial.

Not inherently anyways.

My stance is that I'm not pro-choice, I'm anti-coathanger.

Life has the value of your heart,

If you value it, it has value for you,

That doesn't mean i share that value if i dont care

Lol xorgy you crack me up

I don't trust your average person to take out the trash much less decide whether a fetus is a person.

I'm neither honestly, because I don't think I understand the moral calculus going on there.

Which is why honestly the laws in place don't bother me, neither do the ones that were in place in the '70s.

Again

what if someone else values your fetus, as a human life from the perspective of their religion for example

does that someone else rise the kid?

I would tend to favour the answer which causes fewer criminal trials.

then they can put their money where their values are,

Thats why its a "VALUE" 😛

People pay good money to adopt a kid

but why should that start at conception, or at birth?

Or to buy a kid.

I think veganism and pro life should be a package deal. Either both, or neither.

Seems ritually arbitrary.

Yeah probably WT

off to catch the rapists like

I'm in that abortion category where i'm pro-choice, but i'm like, last resort so that if you have to i'm like: "duuuude, why you doin' this to all of us with your recklessness"

If we made selling babies legal there'd be less abortion but as it is people go to other countries to adopt

I'm just a callous asshole tho

I don't care about the lives or problems of people I don't know

I think only doctors should be qualified to make the "choice"

"Do no harm" should cover babies

I think if we abort the child we should also abort the mother.