Message from @Doshin

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2018-10-03 22:17:27 UTC  

ancaps will be destroyed by a Warlord who gets a big faction

2018-10-03 22:17:44 UTC  

what differentiates ancaps from minarchists?

2018-10-03 22:18:04 UTC  

ancaps don't want a state

2018-10-03 22:18:10 UTC  

they basically want a capitalist form of communism

2018-10-03 22:18:18 UTC  

capitalist form of communism

2018-10-03 22:18:21 UTC  

No state, everyone fends for themselves

2018-10-03 22:18:26 UTC  

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2018-10-03 22:18:28 UTC  

lol

2018-10-03 22:18:31 UTC  

but theres no requirement to be nice and give to others

2018-10-03 22:18:43 UTC  

yea

2018-10-03 22:18:47 UTC  

Basically, You want protection? Hire people as guards

2018-10-03 22:18:55 UTC  

You want production? Hire people to tend to your farms

2018-10-03 22:19:06 UTC  

We must all pursue the agrarian idyll

2018-10-03 22:19:22 UTC  

Can't people organize without the state?

2018-10-03 22:19:31 UTC  

They can, on a small scale

2018-10-03 22:19:44 UTC  

Microsoft seems to be a pretty big scale.

2018-10-03 22:19:51 UTC  

but then you just get a militant warlord who will crush you cuz he's got an army to step on you

2018-10-03 22:19:53 UTC  

take your wealth

2018-10-03 22:19:58 UTC  

The state is required to ensure that the rights of man are not violated

2018-10-03 22:20:00 UTC  

and set himself as king

2018-10-03 22:20:14 UTC  

yae

2018-10-03 22:20:26 UTC  

As much freedom as possible within the limits of a state is preferable to anarchy

2018-10-03 22:20:28 UTC  

protection is the key reason why anarchism cant work

2018-10-03 22:20:42 UTC  

a small degree of collective power is crucial

2018-10-03 22:21:30 UTC  

And if you wanna unite with other Ancaps to "protect" against a warlord,

You have to combine assets and form a military + group to distribute said assets, a governing body, thus breaking the Ancap paradise

Cuz you just formed a government

2018-10-03 22:21:36 UTC  

But when a state centralises it's power to a great extent then it must be cut down to size either by the ballot box or by bloodshed
that is the natural cycle of human liberty

2018-10-03 22:22:53 UTC  

the pendulum cycle

2018-10-03 22:23:46 UTC  

Authority gets corrupt,

Liberty breaks it,

To protect the liberty idea, more strong authority is needed against the "non-liberty"

And in doing so, the liberals become the new authority

2018-10-03 22:23:56 UTC  

i think its only a pendulum because humans are awful at learning collectively and each side thinks going further that way is the answer when OBVIOUSLY its in the middle

2018-10-03 22:24:00 UTC  

Hence, now you have the "liberals" that are authoritarian

2018-10-03 22:24:16 UTC  

Ideally, we would want to reduce the violence in society.

2018-10-03 22:24:34 UTC  

Authority ultimately corrupts no matter it's intention

2018-10-03 22:24:34 UTC  

The perfect society would maximize the amount of consent and minimize violence.

2018-10-03 22:24:38 UTC  

Its a pendulum cuz people are different, and their needs change

Under authority, you want freedom,
Under freedom you want order,
Under order you create Authority

2018-10-03 22:25:02 UTC  

As long as your society doesnt criminalise fentanyl or heroin or any other drug for that matter im fine

2018-10-03 22:25:27 UTC  

No, those must remain illegal and even just thinking about it should get you arrested.

2018-10-03 22:25:38 UTC  

Who is the "You" in that sentence
you assume all people want the same thing

2018-10-03 22:25:46 UTC  

Some are natural tyrants

2018-10-03 22:25:50 UTC  

most want freedom

2018-10-03 22:26:23 UTC  

Natural tyrants can taste my recreational nukes

2018-10-03 22:26:45 UTC  

I think a world without violence is impossible, but a society might be able to function according to principles that do not initiate it.