We shouldn't be forcing people to do things.

but if it means that all I can do is keep the govt out of the business of being involved in it im ok with that

I actually believe that babies should get a chance to live but reality has other ideas.

This rabbit hole of a conversation would go on for ages

If we do go Pro-life, we should encourage people to put babies up for adoption.

I don't trust to the government with the death penalty. I recognize that there's an emotional response that I would have to a child molester or mass murderer, and you can't act legally based on emotions, especially when there's life on the line.

but to say the least, I think you are deeply mistaken @Dusty Morgan

The abortion debate is pretty much a stalemate IMO.

specifically regarding the "forcing people to do things" part of it

as for the death penalty, im all for it

How am I deeply mistaken? I think we should have pro-choice up to a certain point. After that it should be pro-life and if people don't want, they should be encourage to put baby up for adoption.

yeah nobody asked but still

lol

But the truth is that we don't have a proper punishment people who do commit serious crimes, because we can't really impose anything that would serve justice for some crimes. I'm not sure what my stance is on it still.

@Dusty Morgan you made a choice by being sexually active and, in a wildly large number of cases, unprotected

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LikxFZZO2sk

prison should not be punishment

it should be rehabilitation

no the death penalty should be punishment though

That's a fair point.

Well punishment does need to happen, but there should be some rehabilitation centers in prison.

Why not both?

To help people get back into society.

punishment is illogical

Tim, some ppl are beyond help. And some ppl deserve to be punished.

Explain what you mean Tim.

no they dont

its just emotional satisfaction

it does nothing

waste of time and energy

right

so kill them

either we rehabilitate or we dont

kiling is wrong

is it though?

killing is immoral

yes

It should be neither punishment nor rehabilitation, but separation. Prison is to keep society safe from criminals. It's not for the criminal's benefit, it's for society's.

Punish people for doing wrong, encourage people for doing right. Set them on right path.

in ALL cases killing is wrong?

punishment doesnt change behavior