thats why they're socialists in the first place

Basically "muh voter ID is racist" and "illegals don't vote".

Then spamming a bunch of Politifact links.

The only things that work on leftists are mockery and trolling.

Voter id is no brainer for me

or just general manipulation

It was always there in Germany. I don't understand why you in the US don't have it?

probably because it makes cheating easier.

Like the usa does some stinky shit during elections

They gerrymander

its cuz in the US, ID means the government knows more about you and can target you

hence, muh freedom

They use machines which you cant check

And so on

But id really is no brainer

In Germany the Voting Computers are dead. Our CCC has completely destroyed those

Doc they have this weird id fetish here in UK as well

theres voting ID here in holland too

Honestly paper balots work just fine in my experience

You have almost 100% certainty no foreign influence will fuck you

If you use those

Not in the US!

you can have fake ballots shoved in there

in those countrys that don't have no Voter ID Laws.

no system is flawless

You can doc but its not as easy to do

Yeah, but only in small numbers so its pretty safe

At least in my country you have voter commision

Which is made by ppl nominated by political parties

So each party has their observers and counters involved

you need to have access to the voting paper wich isn't easy and they are printed in a non standard format. with a lighter paper (under 80g)

So any cheating is hard to organize

In the US you can cheat by letting dead people vote....

The real danger in my country is overnight

or illegal aliens

Where you could theoreticaly have someone getting to voting chamber and add things

you guys dont need to convince me on the computer vs paper, its arguing semantics

and i'm right there with you on voter ID's

But then again

Because we have voter id

We know the number of ppl who came

And number of votes