Well I do believe pro-abortion stances come from a fundamentalist view as well.

Hm, how so?

The cult of Feminism.

Not really fundamentalist, though. They are still distilling their tenets.

No fundamentals to return or hold to.

That depends on one factor.

Are we using pro-abortion as a stand in for pro-choice or the radical encouragement of abortion?

Not sure, I didn't start that, I just brought up an example of a group that met the stated filter and in no definition would qualify as pro-abortion. I was mostly addressing an over-broad generalization.

So, whichever you mean.

Well there is a need to make a clear difference between the two.

I believe that pro-abortion should refer to the radical encouragement of abortion.

Fair.

Okay, going with that definition for the purposes of this conversation. Please continue.

It always did annoy me that people equated "choice" with "abortion", so I like the distinction.

Basically the idea is the ideological belief that pregnancy is not natural but oppression of women by men.

Which is a tenet of several subsets of radical feminism, yes.

It might not be a fully conscious concept stated yet but this is the only Rational conclusion to their radical encouragement.

I think we might be differing on the definition of "fundamentalist" more than anything else.

Radicalized and fundamentalist aren't synonyms, even though you see them used that way a lot when discussing religions lately.

But modern Feminism is a religion.

Cult. No religious aspects as an overall phenomenon yet.

Not all cults are religions.

There are plenty of neopagan woo variants, but they aren't core (yet).

They are core. Its just a matter of admitting it.

You don't have to be a relgion to have fundamentalism, though, so it's a moot point either way.

But yeah, all the current talking points about abortion is abhorrent.

It is slowly turning me pro-life.

"Clumps of cells"

"Aren't you clumps of cells?",

You'd hate some of the more rational arguments, then.

"That's different."

There is a simple argument for abortion.

It doesn't matter what we do.

Abortions would only go up.

No, I mean actually logically consistent arguments.

There are some. But they don't go the "clumps of cells, but somehow different from me being a clump of cells".

route.

I don't mind logical arguments.

The problem is that the left is retarded with their points.

Frequently, yeah.

When they can actually present them in a smart way.