Message from @Sizeable_lad
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You are saying that increasing the welfare of slaves is good morally and therefore justifies it
I know you dont actually believe this
You are giving an example
It's both, because from an economic perspective, the labour is free. Can you agree with that? And if you do, then the moral argument gains credibility by the welfare conditions
Yes but what bearing does the welfare of a slave have on the economy broadly
Love her
The worse off a slave is the more they are working
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Slaves inherently do less harmful work for less time if they are placed into better conditions
Or they are provided more food
Which also makes the work easier
Slaves are the properties of the owner so assumign they would have been kept to the house or confined to the property. Better treatment and conditions is a moral argument for it? Given that the other option for them to be to find work which they wont.
It is a moral arguement indeed
I dont disagre
But it is unrelated to the effect the slaves have on the economy
Whether or not they are fed and housed better or worse
They still work
The slaves have a positive effect on the economy because the loss of capital in prodiving employment is not there giving you more profit.
Isn't that the argument from economics perspective
Or
Turning slaves into employees
But where you are not offering a wage you are paying for their upkeep. Paying a wage waivers responsibility for food or housing.
Again you are trying to relate a moral arguement to an economic one
To summarise
Im not im telling you that the morality is not an argument at all here because of the principles of economics being involved.
Free Labour
No wages
It’s not free. That’s not point.
Let me loop this back to your original example
Owning a slave comes with the requirement of feeding them and housing them or just leaving them in the farms
You argued that if less poverty is an arguement for capitalism then better welfare for slaves is an argument for slavery
Doesn’t having slaves cause a negative effect on innovation as slave labour is cheap and there will be no drive on inventing labour saving technology.
In this case
There is no such thing as free labour. Unless you have a constantly supply of new slaves you do not pay for who you can expend without feeding or housing, it is not free.
The welfare of slaves
Is a moral concern
The economic standing of the impoverished
Is an economic concern
Its an economic concern. You want your slaves to be fit right?