Message from @Sizeable_lad

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2020-03-09 11:35:40 UTC  

No.

2020-03-09 11:35:58 UTC  

That increasing the welfare of slaves was an arguement for slavery

2020-03-09 11:36:07 UTC  

Well i believe the extact terms were

2020-03-09 11:36:09 UTC  

Because owning slaves is actually less efficient. Productivity is reduced and you have to foot the cost.

2020-03-09 11:36:20 UTC  

> Slaves in the 18th century were better off than slaves in the 17th century, could that be an argument for slavery?
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2020-03-09 11:36:31 UTC  

Yes welfare for slaves is basically a bonus for them.

2020-03-09 11:36:31 UTC  

That

2020-03-09 11:36:37 UTC  

Is a moral arguement

2020-03-09 11:36:42 UTC  

Not an economic one

2020-03-09 11:37:01 UTC  

You are saying that increasing the welfare of slaves is good morally and therefore justifies it

2020-03-09 11:37:19 UTC  

I know you dont actually believe this

2020-03-09 11:37:26 UTC  

You are giving an example

2020-03-09 11:37:31 UTC  

It's both, because from an economic perspective, the labour is free. Can you agree with that? And if you do, then the moral argument gains credibility by the welfare conditions

2020-03-09 11:37:58 UTC  

Yes but what bearing does the welfare of a slave have on the economy broadly

2020-03-09 11:38:20 UTC  

Love her

2020-03-09 11:38:21 UTC  

The worse off a slave is the more they are working

2020-03-09 11:38:28 UTC  

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2020-03-09 11:38:54 UTC  

Slaves inherently do less harmful work for less time if they are placed into better conditions

2020-03-09 11:39:03 UTC  

Or they are provided more food

2020-03-09 11:39:08 UTC  

Which also makes the work easier

2020-03-09 11:39:13 UTC  

Slaves are the properties of the owner so assumign they would have been kept to the house or confined to the property. Better treatment and conditions is a moral argument for it? Given that the other option for them to be to find work which they wont.

2020-03-09 11:39:25 UTC  

It is a moral arguement indeed

2020-03-09 11:39:28 UTC  

I dont disagre

2020-03-09 11:39:42 UTC  

But it is unrelated to the effect the slaves have on the economy

2020-03-09 11:39:57 UTC  

Whether or not they are fed and housed better or worse

2020-03-09 11:40:00 UTC  

They still work

2020-03-09 11:40:07 UTC  

The slaves have a positive effect on the economy because the loss of capital in prodiving employment is not there giving you more profit.

2020-03-09 11:40:15 UTC  

Isn't that the argument from economics perspective

2020-03-09 11:40:27 UTC  

I never mentioned employing slaves

2020-03-09 11:40:28 UTC  

Or

2020-03-09 11:40:36 UTC  

Turning slaves into employees

2020-03-09 11:40:47 UTC  

But where you are not offering a wage you are paying for their upkeep. Paying a wage waivers responsibility for food or housing.

2020-03-09 11:41:12 UTC  

Again you are trying to relate a moral arguement to an economic one

2020-03-09 11:41:22 UTC  

To summarise

2020-03-09 11:41:42 UTC  

Im not im telling you that the morality is not an argument at all here because of the principles of economics being involved.

2020-03-09 11:41:50 UTC  

Free Labour

2020-03-09 11:41:58 UTC  

No wages

2020-03-09 11:42:02 UTC  

It’s not free. That’s not point.

2020-03-09 11:42:05 UTC  

Let me loop this back to your original example

2020-03-09 11:42:37 UTC  

Owning a slave comes with the requirement of feeding them and housing them or just leaving them in the farms