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2020-03-09 11:40:27 UTC  

I never mentioned employing slaves

2020-03-09 11:40:28 UTC  

Or

2020-03-09 11:40:36 UTC  

Turning slaves into employees

2020-03-09 11:40:47 UTC  

But where you are not offering a wage you are paying for their upkeep. Paying a wage waivers responsibility for food or housing.

2020-03-09 11:41:12 UTC  

Again you are trying to relate a moral arguement to an economic one

2020-03-09 11:41:22 UTC  

To summarise

2020-03-09 11:41:42 UTC  

Im not im telling you that the morality is not an argument at all here because of the principles of economics being involved.

2020-03-09 11:41:50 UTC  

Free Labour

2020-03-09 11:41:58 UTC  

No wages

2020-03-09 11:42:02 UTC  

It’s not free. That’s not point.

2020-03-09 11:42:05 UTC  

Let me loop this back to your original example

2020-03-09 11:42:37 UTC  

Owning a slave comes with the requirement of feeding them and housing them or just leaving them in the farms

2020-03-09 11:42:42 UTC  

You argued that if less poverty is an arguement for capitalism then better welfare for slaves is an argument for slavery

2020-03-09 11:42:43 UTC  

Doesn’t having slaves cause a negative effect on innovation as slave labour is cheap and there will be no drive on inventing labour saving technology.

2020-03-09 11:42:55 UTC  

In this case

2020-03-09 11:42:59 UTC  

There is no such thing as free labour. Unless you have a constantly supply of new slaves you do not pay for who you can expend without feeding or housing, it is not free.

2020-03-09 11:43:01 UTC  

The welfare of slaves

2020-03-09 11:43:04 UTC  

Is a moral concern

2020-03-09 11:43:19 UTC  

The economic standing of the impoverished

2020-03-09 11:43:28 UTC  

Is an economic concern

2020-03-09 11:43:33 UTC  

Its an economic concern. You want your slaves to be fit right?

2020-03-09 11:43:36 UTC  

to work hard

2020-03-09 11:43:41 UTC  

Not necessarily

2020-03-09 11:43:44 UTC  

Yes and no.

2020-03-09 11:43:48 UTC  

Slaves can be made to work hard with a whip

2020-03-09 11:43:49 UTC  

you don't want them to be fit from the goodness of your heart

2020-03-09 11:44:15 UTC  

A slave barely able to get through the day and just about survives is one who can’t rebel after work.

2020-03-09 11:44:55 UTC  

A really fit slave is capable of rebelling.

2020-03-09 11:45:24 UTC  

If i owned slaves i would feed them the bear minimum to survive and would simply coerce them to work through threats of violence, this is the cheapest and most economically efficent. Say your arguement about slave welfare was an economic one then better treated slaves would cost more to own and likely do less work

2020-03-09 11:45:27 UTC  

So are 1000 weak slaves against one master

2020-03-09 11:45:35 UTC  

That isnt the arguement

2020-03-09 11:45:57 UTC  

How will they be likely to do less work?

2020-03-09 11:46:08 UTC  

One master who has 200 overseers with guns.

2020-03-09 11:46:14 UTC  

Better welfare is a byproduct of more sleep

2020-03-09 11:46:20 UTC  

so the fit one has n chance either Slen

2020-03-09 11:46:40 UTC  

Oh they would.

2020-03-09 11:46:41 UTC  

And therefore

2020-03-09 11:46:43 UTC  

Less work

2020-03-09 11:46:56 UTC  

This conversation is totally of the rails

2020-03-09 11:46:57 UTC  

better welfare can be two meals a day instead of one

2020-03-09 11:46:58 UTC  

If all of them were fit they could overwhelm their overseers.