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2020-03-09 11:39:08 UTC  

Which also makes the work easier

2020-03-09 11:39:13 UTC  

Slaves are the properties of the owner so assumign they would have been kept to the house or confined to the property. Better treatment and conditions is a moral argument for it? Given that the other option for them to be to find work which they wont.

2020-03-09 11:39:25 UTC  

It is a moral arguement indeed

2020-03-09 11:39:28 UTC  

I dont disagre

2020-03-09 11:39:42 UTC  

But it is unrelated to the effect the slaves have on the economy

2020-03-09 11:39:57 UTC  

Whether or not they are fed and housed better or worse

2020-03-09 11:40:00 UTC  

They still work

2020-03-09 11:40:07 UTC  

The slaves have a positive effect on the economy because the loss of capital in prodiving employment is not there giving you more profit.

2020-03-09 11:40:15 UTC  

Isn't that the argument from economics perspective

2020-03-09 11:40:27 UTC  

I never mentioned employing slaves

2020-03-09 11:40:28 UTC  

Or

2020-03-09 11:40:36 UTC  

Turning slaves into employees

2020-03-09 11:40:47 UTC  

But where you are not offering a wage you are paying for their upkeep. Paying a wage waivers responsibility for food or housing.

2020-03-09 11:41:12 UTC  

Again you are trying to relate a moral arguement to an economic one

2020-03-09 11:41:22 UTC  

To summarise

2020-03-09 11:41:42 UTC  

Im not im telling you that the morality is not an argument at all here because of the principles of economics being involved.

2020-03-09 11:41:50 UTC  

Free Labour

2020-03-09 11:41:58 UTC  

No wages

2020-03-09 11:42:02 UTC  

It’s not free. That’s not point.

2020-03-09 11:42:05 UTC  

Let me loop this back to your original example

2020-03-09 11:42:37 UTC  

Owning a slave comes with the requirement of feeding them and housing them or just leaving them in the farms

2020-03-09 11:42:42 UTC  

You argued that if less poverty is an arguement for capitalism then better welfare for slaves is an argument for slavery

2020-03-09 11:42:43 UTC  

Doesn’t having slaves cause a negative effect on innovation as slave labour is cheap and there will be no drive on inventing labour saving technology.

2020-03-09 11:42:55 UTC  

In this case

2020-03-09 11:42:59 UTC  

There is no such thing as free labour. Unless you have a constantly supply of new slaves you do not pay for who you can expend without feeding or housing, it is not free.

2020-03-09 11:43:01 UTC  

The welfare of slaves

2020-03-09 11:43:04 UTC  

Is a moral concern

2020-03-09 11:43:19 UTC  

The economic standing of the impoverished

2020-03-09 11:43:28 UTC  

Is an economic concern

2020-03-09 11:43:33 UTC  

Its an economic concern. You want your slaves to be fit right?

2020-03-09 11:43:36 UTC  

to work hard

2020-03-09 11:43:41 UTC  

Not necessarily

2020-03-09 11:43:44 UTC  

Yes and no.

2020-03-09 11:43:48 UTC  

Slaves can be made to work hard with a whip

2020-03-09 11:43:49 UTC  

you don't want them to be fit from the goodness of your heart

2020-03-09 11:44:15 UTC  

A slave barely able to get through the day and just about survives is one who can’t rebel after work.

2020-03-09 11:44:55 UTC  

A really fit slave is capable of rebelling.

2020-03-09 11:45:24 UTC  

If i owned slaves i would feed them the bear minimum to survive and would simply coerce them to work through threats of violence, this is the cheapest and most economically efficent. Say your arguement about slave welfare was an economic one then better treated slaves would cost more to own and likely do less work

2020-03-09 11:45:27 UTC  

So are 1000 weak slaves against one master

2020-03-09 11:45:35 UTC  

That isnt the arguement

2020-03-09 11:45:57 UTC  

How will they be likely to do less work?