omg thats not how it is!

But in the absence of a government net, alternate sources of charity can still exist

That implies that people need welfare to exist

It's a temporary crutch

We do need it

I mean if you wanna go down a channel and talk about it we can

Drink from the cactusses!

when welfare becomes the difference between making rent or not, that's a problem

I don't. That's proof positive that humans don't need welfare to survive. The goal should be to get people off welfare to be self sufficient

exactly

You have to teach the people how to make welfare this way they dont need to beg for it

So you don't want to talk about it @DrWittMDPhD ?

welfare is not necessarily a bad thing... but you have to make sure that it is a "last resort" for people, not a lifestyle

https://twitter.com/qikipedia/status/1054809685667299328?s=20

And don't just harbor drug addicts lol

Most homeless are incapable of leaving the mindset that makes them homeless

"can I use my food stamps for cigarettes"

Me saying that my AnCap utopia only has spears as welfare is a joke. I fully accept that some people get fucked sometimes and need help. My real argument is that welfare should be minimized as much as possible so it ends up helping people become self sufficient again

okay do you wanna talk about how you would like to see it planned out, and if I can find any hole, Vice Versa?

That sounds boring

I don't have a number for you on how much $ we need to spend, I'm just saying that in principle it should be the lowest possible number.

Stop being boring, Dante

Thats fine Im not perpared either we can just talk about the idea.

the problem with welfare is that it has to be unique to each person. We can't go with the lowest common denominator

you should not have more money as a single parent on welfare than when you are married with only one income.

Well do you disagree with the principle that welfare should be as small as possible without leaving people to get blasted?

then how do you accurately calculate welfare for each person?

*starts to lurk and learn*

That seems like a pretty universal principle

Can I talk about how much I hate homeless people?

Pls

yeah I agree, but thats a walk back from want you said.

welfare shouldn't give someone enough money to live without getting a job

What I originally said was give people spears to steal food in AnCapistan

it should

That was a joke

then what's the motivation to get a job?

luxury

welfare -> you can live | job -> you can buy stuff you want

this is true

I vote for how things should be, not what is most convenient for me