If i rub my hands to create friction -> heat

Its not gonna change as a scientific principle for anotehr 200 years atleast

The body of scientific knowledge changes all the time - as it should.

Don't be so confident in the invincibility of science as a pursuit of truth.

And historical circumstances impacted many discoveries. I think it is likely that our scientific knowledge might look very different if we started over.

But the scientific method would not change.

this entire discussion

Atkins, how about that thing recently where someone quoted things from "Mein Kampf" but cuz it was pro-feminism it got accepted by peer-review? 😛

`He picked up the children’s history book and looked at the portrait of Big Brother which formed its frontispiece. The hypnotic eyes gazed into his own. It was as though some huge force were pressing down upon you – something that penetrated inside your skull, battering against your brain, frightening you out of your beliefs, persuading you, almost, to deny the evidence of your senses. In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality, was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense. And what was terrifying was not that they would kill you for thinking otherwise, but that they might be right. For, after all, how do we know that two and two make four? Or that the force of gravity works? Or that the past is unchangeable? If both the past and the external world exist only in the mind, and if the mind itself is controllable – what then?`

Science as a truth can be twisted, science as a fact can not

Also, I think scientific research in abstract is amoral, it's not concerned with the effects of this research on human society, which can be very very destructive.
So scientific research and work has to be nested within a wider framework of morality and ethics, one possible way of deriving that morality is religion.
Ethical and Moral insight is necessary when it comes to Scientific innovation because some breakthroughs can radically tear the society apart.

The scientific method, the process of science, is not the current state of scientific knowledge.

problem with that wol is that any interpretation of science fact is tainted

You are correct Stormtrooper -> Case 1: Social Media

Everything in science is wrong, because we will likely always refine our models further.

and pure facts are dunes, ever shifting and impossible to work with

if you can re-test it under the exact same circumstances, 1000 times without fail

you have a fact

jup thats your truth right there

It is likely that nothing in science is perfect. All our models are approximations - but they are the best approximations we have been able to come up with.

i actually fear what leftists will do now

because they think the right did this

@Dr.Wol you have a fact if you have a modernist epistemology

Yes, I have called that as soon as the story broke.

I would argue the same is true in religion

i would argue that the same is true for your mom gay lmao

Religion is not designed to be tested.

if you have a post-modern epistemology you merely have the dominant power structure

Many religions are designed to be tested.

You can apply the scientific method to religion, but then you will find that our scientific models are better.

Philosophy is questiosn that may never be answered
Religion is answered that may never be questioned

this is a witty sentance without much substantive meaning

#magabomber is trending

And that works for "truth" Atkins, but for facts it doesn't

Thats why Trans people systematically outperform women in sports,

Men are superior physically, that is a fact,
And no amount of "I want to believe" will change it

You can go to a Buddhist temple and ask the same question to every Brahman there and each one would give you their own answer.

as a centrist i am only half religious, obviously

Yes, let's stick with that exmaple.

Male and female relative accomplishment.

According to the scientific method, we collect observations.

We are reasonably sure because we have observed a lot of men and women.

But it's not impossible we haven't made the right observations, but as the number of observations increase, them all being wrong becomes very unlikely.