Message from @phadreus

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2020-03-24 02:12:07 UTC  

Einstein was mostly right. Freud was very often wrong. And the list of his mistakes is only increasing, Einstein's is not.

2020-03-24 02:12:41 UTC  

Are you even serious? Einstein was wrong about a lot of stuff <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

2020-03-24 02:12:56 UTC  

the fuck

2020-03-24 02:13:04 UTC  

Ever heard of space time? Literally a nonsensical theory.

2020-03-24 02:13:14 UTC  

One example? You said "a lot"

2020-03-24 02:13:28 UTC  

Well he didn't actually do that much

2020-03-24 02:13:31 UTC  

Freud was wrong on one of his most central concepts

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/680587502918041623/691832034007580735/freud-psychosexual2.png

2020-03-24 02:13:42 UTC  

Some of his previously thought wrong ideas also come back later being considered right again

2020-03-24 02:13:45 UTC  

Space time was one of his big things

2020-03-24 02:14:04 UTC  

@ETBrooD Can you give an example of something freud was wrong about?

2020-03-24 02:14:36 UTC  

I think a good way to put it is that Freud was explanatory but he's not scientific because he never tried to be predictive.

2020-03-24 02:14:46 UTC  

Freud thought that if you accidentally say a word that you didn't mean to say, it reveals something about your true self

2020-03-24 02:15:09 UTC  

> I think a good way to put it is that Freud was explanatory but he's not scientific because he never tried to be predictive.
@Hexidecimark Says the person who I seriously doubt has read any freud

2020-03-24 02:15:44 UTC  

> Freud thought that if you accidentally say a word that you didn't mean to say, it reveals something about your true self
@ETBrooD That's a real thing though. It isn't always true but sometimes it is.

2020-03-24 02:16:01 UTC  

Freudian slips are definitely real.... <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

2020-03-24 02:16:02 UTC  

It's a BS theory, because it can't be proven.

2020-03-24 02:16:05 UTC  

I've read him in several psych classes, he's not someone who ends up being terribly practical to read

2020-03-24 02:16:26 UTC  

Like I said I've done more with Jung

2020-03-24 02:16:30 UTC  

No theory in psychology can really be proven

2020-03-24 02:16:32 UTC  

Freudian slips are not valid, they're statistical anomalies that are normal and are supposed to happen.

2020-03-24 02:17:15 UTC  

I'm 100% sure that they're real, but whatever man

2020-03-24 02:17:21 UTC  

If nothing in psychology can be proven, then psychology is not science

2020-03-24 02:17:34 UTC  

You're telling me you've never had a Freudian slip? <:WaitWhatArmy:590858815189024778>

2020-03-24 02:17:40 UTC  

Not once in my entire life

2020-03-24 02:17:50 UTC  

@ETBrooD That's not how science works

2020-03-24 02:18:15 UTC  

Yes that is how it works. A theory that can't be proven is not a scientific theory. Falsification is *neccessary* for a scientific theory.

2020-03-24 02:18:55 UTC  

"science" in this context is synonymous with the scientific method. It does not require proof

2020-03-24 02:19:18 UTC  

Are you trolling me?

2020-03-24 02:19:24 UTC  

The scientific method is designed to generate proof my dude

2020-03-24 02:20:37 UTC  

LOL

2020-03-24 02:20:53 UTC  

Phad just posted an infographic that contradicts his claim

2020-03-24 02:20:54 UTC  

This is science

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/680587502918041623/691833894453903462/Screenshot_2020-03-23-21-20-36-016_com.brave.browser.png

2020-03-24 02:21:10 UTC  

"test with an experiment" => proof of concept

2020-03-24 02:21:12 UTC  

No I didn't. <:WaitWhatArmy:590858815189024778>

2020-03-24 02:21:29 UTC  

> "test with an experiment" => proof of concept
@ETBrooD <:WaitWhatArmy:590858815189024778>

2020-03-24 02:21:38 UTC  

Your question marks aren't helping you make an argument

2020-03-24 02:21:47 UTC  

Yeah, okayyyy then

2020-03-24 02:21:50 UTC  

@phadreus [Discord's being dumb and won't let me quote anything right now so I just leave out the quote of the argument you referred me to earlier] I'm not sure how I feel about your original argument. While an intelligence/birth rate trade off could be the reason why we have seen no evidence for other super intelligent creatures, it seems quite the leap to take this reason as fact when we have examples of creatures that buck the trend like the crustacean mentioned earlier. It could easily be that another hyper intelligent life form has a direct correlation between intelligence and fertility as opposed to the reverse. I think the water world hypothesis is a far more likely reason for why we see no traces of other hyper-intelligent creatures. They are simply limited by the fact that a lot of landmass is rare on water world's like ours and so intelligence may be contained in sea creatures like dolphins and whales on other worlds. hyper intelligence may be stopped by a limited environment like very little landmass (with our environment being an extremely rare exception) as opposed to an inbuilt intelligence/birth rate trade off in humanity by virtue of simply being a lifeform. However, I see no real flaws with your argument beyond that. If we accept the foundational argument that humanity will cease to exist otherwise and that humanity should continue to exist, then I see no reason why we shouldn't try to keep human subspecies separate and diverse. However, that's the problem. This is one answer among many as to why there is no spacefaring species visiting us. It could just as easily be another very different reason. On a similar note, I remember this study and thought I'd reference it since it's quite related. Apparently, intelligence increases male virility. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7767877.stm

2020-03-24 02:22:07 UTC  

You haven't said anything worth making an argument against. @ETBrooD

2020-03-24 02:22:15 UTC  

This is the most basic thing ever in science. Lack of falsifiability = not scientifically valid.

2020-03-24 02:23:00 UTC  

>U GOTTA HAVE ARGUMENT
>NOOO I DON'T NEED ONE
It *is* okay to be wrong phad- look at it this way- you grow from losing in debate. The winner walks away with nothing gained.