right.. but why are these people even trying to enter the country illegally in teh first place?

otherwise you're suggestion is treating the symptons not the cause.

Which is what we're doing

Because treating the symptoms

Is the only way to deal with immigration

also codes, weren't you just pushing back on people advocating some of those positions?

Unless you are thinking about star trek utopias wher ethe globe is all 1st world

I was not pushing back

well, debating if they're were the best option

I was questioning for the sake of furthering my understanding

I'm not all knowing

Yeah. The only way to "Treat the disease of immigration" is to stop people from wanting to immigrate. Either fix their countries, make our country less appealing, or kill them so there aren't people that want to come here

I think that's the wrong solution

The only course of action is to reinforce our ability to repel illegals, like walls, more border patrol, etc

We need to decentivise people from coming here

i say we fix the counteries, it just feels wrong letting those places be a complete mess when we have the power to forcefully fix it, ya know?

And that requires 1 of 2 things

Make welfare increasingly difficult to get or completely rid ourselves of it entirely

I think fixing a broken country is impossible

That wouldn't stop it. America is just great and people would come here regardless of welfare

it was a tounge in cheek comment

if we were to go in and fix it, that would just piss them off and cause more issues in the long run

But it would incentivize integration and legal status over illegal status

It would be a step in the right direction

We'd have to either make America suck more than their countries, make their countries better, or KILL THEM. That's why the only thing we CAN do is repel them and hopefully encourage them to fix their own countries

I dont think its immigration that's the issue

Then what have we been talking about?

I think it's more the incentive to not integrate that drives more illegal immigration

Immigration and illegal immigration both stem from the desire to come to America

The incentive to not integrate drives illegal immigration...

What? That's actually nonsense

Becuase if your incentivized to integrate your more likely to legalize yourself

People don't go to places just because they don't have to integrate.

But maybe I'm just ignorant

They can not integrate to a new culture in their own countries

integeration has nothing to do with it

and the end of the day its resources

The whole point is to be in a better country for better economic and safety issues

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Resources

people see america has more resources to use, they want a slice of the pie