what r u teaching i am not aware of this

rational selfishness

would never happen ttv, "In a rational society" is on the level of "In socialist utopia" or "In ancap utopia"

It will never happen

we are all statesmen here or something wtf lmao

@Dr.Wol im not a socialist or ancap

lmao

eitherway forget i said asians because i grew up mostly in white area

i didn't say that

oh

i'm saying your claim of "in a rational society" is just as much wishful thinking

I just reread it

and all the decent rich kids had same thing, somehow their parents gained decent control, not total like i guess bad version of asian parents (and higher suicide rate type people) but enough their kids were like WEW and stuff good grades u know bigtime thinky thoughts and all that jam

@Dr.Wol its possible with Ayn Rands ideas being one of the most influencing and time

It wouldn't be, Objectivism is too much wishful thinking

@Existence is identity they commit suicide because they are Taught not to burden there problems on others its a cultural problem at that point

no

@Walsp thats not why

east asian society has a problem with colectivism, the society over their frequently see workers and people as groups instead of individuals as well as a high expectation of success. when people feel that they have failed or that they have not become successful, many take their lives because they feel themselves to be worthless to the society around them which they believe ostracizes them. America and other western societies are individualists, where everyone has their own unique path and is their own person. so naturally we also have many who feel the need to be the "hero" of their story and do something to seperate themselves from the norm of society hence the SJWs and progressivees

have you spoken to japanese ?

thats one of the many reason

@Yugure based as hell

you'd be fighting humanities basic instincts, and that would lead to split like we see now in the culture war

Where you have "rational" thinkers, and SJW's doing REEEEE

also what walsp says

@Dr.Wol humans are self interested of course ideas can change that

Objectivism on paper would work, but it would require you to ignore human emotion

And anyone who seeks power will manipulate that,
You'd have someone preaching emotions which appeal more to people

Fear > rationale

from all the dudes i know the parental control wasn't a problem, unless said parent was also manipulative/abusive/neurotic, but said person still ended up better for it, just fucked up if they had to deal with one or more of those 3, but you can see the same for undisciplined kids with manipulative/abusive/neurotic parents

no human emotions are what determine values

Humans are self interested, but that is not a bad thing

@Yugure yes I know

@Ottobon nothing is simplistic in explanation and Rejecting any explanation is common with most people

They just want to hear what they want to hear instead of being more Considerate and open minded

people determine values, human emotions just run on them

If emotions determined values, everyone would have the same values cuz we're all emotional

because of the prevalant system of economics in many developed nations, others selfish acts are inherently altruistic

I was refuting his point on why objectivism is not possible @Yugure

oh god no, objectivism is simply not possible

how so?

Its what the japanese themselves say Is the problem if you cant Talk about issues it biols over and you lose your shit

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Lol

come on guys, let's prove we're not a nazi