I see your point

he's not doing that

I baited because I exaggerated a point

everyone is baiting

that one time

Trolls trolling trolls

Sure . .

im not baiting, i'm the bait 😄

currently im not baiting

come nibble at me

Also, collectivism and individualism are bad when used in the extreme. Both are effective for different aspects of life

im sure you are . (puts hat back on and gets on Horse)

@Yugure no not individualism and that aside all ideas go to their logical extremes with time

individualism is bad in extreme

@Yugure if only the hive mind would answer his questions

no its not

you just have a bunch of people going "No, i'm right you're wrong"

and when they get threatened its "You first..."

That's why a two party system has it's own benefit. It allows the pendulum to stay near the middle instead of a constant swing between the two extremes

well individualism is a umbrella term

in·di·vid·u·al·ism
/ˌindəˈvij(o͞o)əˌlizəm/
noun
1.
the habit or principle of being independent and self-reliant.
2.
a social theory favoring freedom of action for individuals over collective or state control.

"Fuck Optics, I'm Going In" - WSJ

The problem with the 2 party System is that sometimes the one side wants to Keep themselves in power . but societally its hard if the Fabric they weave wont hold

While collectivism can get dangerous a lot faster than individualism, both lead to bad extremes

@Yugure one party will eventually diminish as ideas start to become more extreme contradictions will be weeded out

@Yugure how so?

Individualism to an extreme will cause fractures

cuz everyone thinks THEY have the real truth and ideas

yeah

no followers just leaders

and you'll just be bowling-pins for a collective bowling-ball

save yourself situation

@Yugure shall we take this to debate?

Those two basically hit it on the head

so what exactly?

individual extreme would cause People to not have a Reason to help others ? some would obviosly but would most people then in a society thats purely based on individualism be considered Self centrism ? @Dr.Wol

If you ask me, the promotion of individualism should be ignored when coming from collectivists

@Walsp no helping others promotes a society they wanna see

Self-Centeredism @Walsp 😄

Lol

For example, I tend to see a lot of people promoting individualism among demographics who are being opposed by collectivists, so as to weaken said demographics' ability to govern themselves and others

there we go