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if we were to go through with what you say it would NOT bring order, just more chaos

I can see the fire pop up from the Martial Law bit already, we all know how that will be twisted to the public

Make you a deal @Brohacho Muchacho : you convince the government to get off their asses and deal with Antifa properly as a terrorist organization, and I'll fully retract my suggestion of having the people do it.

and antifa is a global terrorist organization. Not just confined to the us, and has multiple branches... you can hear them all chant the same 'hey hey, ho ho...." while wearing the exact same uniform

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that isnt helpful and you know it

to just tom i mean

any and all groups that use that chant really

I disagree again. I think it's exceptionally helpful that if the government doesn't do something, the people have to.

of course i cant make the government do something but the people legally can

I say more, save it as a last resort

and have a chance of doing it

if you resort to violence you break the law and make everything worse

this is always how things escalate, people take into their own hands what they absolutely should not

Look at what happens during natural disasters and terrorist attacks before the government gets organized and comes in to help. The PEOPLE move in and start helping first.

And when the government consistently fails to live up to our expectations? The PEOPLE step up and help even more.

So why is this any different? The government is failing us, it's our time to step up and act.

The American Revolution would never have got going with that logic, Brohacho Muchacho.

@JustTom groups like antifa are essentially well funded international terrorists that form a global army of sorts, that does seem like a military required response

@Misomania I agree. but the military isn't responding. So how do you suggest we deal with it?

Because Just Tom, if the wrong move is made

the american revolution was a very unique scenario, it is very different than the antifa situation in america

WE are framed as the bad guys

and WE are made the enemies of their allies

you win over their allies however

and they lose a lot of their power

Nah. Kill them all and we'll be fine. History is written by the victors.

Then we become no worse

than what they say

bottom line: we absolutely CANNOT take violent action against antifa ourselves unless it is in provable self defense

No, violent action might be necessary IF it gets to the point of no return

but not before

that would be provable self defense

Honestly? I don't care what they say, because they've already called me a nazi racist facist anti-woman, mysogynist alt-right ... god I can't even remember half the shit they've called me.

So, why should I care if they add a few more names to that list, if in the end, I stop their violence and terrorism?

in i guess a very loose definition of it lol

Im not saying add more named

Im saying we become what they preach if we go and

"kill em all"

Not all of that ofc

but some of it

and some of it is just enough to twist more centrist views against those who are actually against it

"So, why should I care if they add a few more names to that list, if in the end, I stop their violence and terrorism?" wha... WHAT? do you even HEAR yourself right now? the ends do not justify the means. this is the path that anifa took