same diff as far as i'm concerned

I'm against identity politics but at the same time I'm against actions based off prejudice.

There is and always will be bad cops.

@taekahn It's an important distinction because it highlights the problem. You can't reason with people who outright reject reality. But you can theoretically convince someone that the police and government institutions can be trusted.

There is and always will be bad departments (with good cops in them)

There is and has been a problem of bad cops getting passed around from department to department.

People can be prejudiced. We can't stop that, we're human. But people need to police thier actions especially if they are a public official.

@StableChaos I think they use evidence even if contrary to claim it supports their case actually, they aren't against evidence it's just that they start at a conclusion and assume all evidence proves that

isn't being against identity politics and being against actions based off prejudice the same thing?

identity politics is entirely focused on prejudice based on observed factors

for or against

@Misomania Definitely true. But that's the attitude that needs to change.

@StableChaos thus we get the act of not being racist being called a form of racism because everything must be

I don't think so. I'm not about racial benefits but I also don't want to see racial detriment

bad cops target people for all kinds of reasons. Looking poor/homeless, being of a certain race, being a certain religion, being of a certain political party in recent years. Finding bad cops and making sure they never work as cops again should be the aim.

right, but any actions taking against someone based on their race could arguably be identity politics.

I don't think actions should be based on race, plus or minus

i got that, i'm saying that racism is inherit to identity politics.

Racial prejudice is identity

Yes, on the part of the prejudiced person

Not the victim

The individual is the smallest minority

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p51ZWtJUPN8

Oh this one must've been when I was out of town

i don't want to see detriment to races either, but if they're geneticaly pre-disposed to certain behaviour and actions, i'd say it should be the expected out come for some racial groups. and for others to climb to the top instead.

"We're not really sure why this is happening"

How are we not sure

You kidding?

**JAMES DAMORE**

@Grenade123 on the flip side, certain demographics follow trends a lot more then they don't and since you cannot know everything about everyone you do kind of have to follow the mathematical likelyhood of someone being part of the statistical majority of said demographic (this is not race but self segragation of all types)

What happened to James Damore, happens in some small way to every young man out there.

James Damore got a nose job

Horseshit happens to men now. And people give no fucks at an unprecedented rate.

If you look for just a subset: racist cops, you miss all the other bad cops, while framing things horribly. Because now you are focused on the race of the victim and the cop. Those should not matter because the first thing you should have taken a problem with was that a cop shot someone. Why shouldn't matter until it's determined if the shoot was justified but you think shouldn't be, then see if this is a problem with the department, or the cop. If it's a problem with the department, demand the department be changed. If it's a problem with just the cop, demand the cop be investigated.

Feminism isn't dead yet.

It has to be killed.

But if your first reaction to a cop shooting someone is not "why were they shot" but "was the person black", you have framed things wrong and might be a bit racist.

@Misomania I think we're largely on the same page. I do think we need to figure out how to better repair trust between cops and the community. I think many departments are doing a great job and I think the race hustlers have done a great job undoing any progress. I don't know exactly how to fix it, but building bridges into communities that start with the conclusion that cops are corrupt is probably the right direction. Any antagonism of BLM is expertly packaged by the race hustlers into racism.

That hallway cop shooting footage is the most infuriating shit I've ever seen.

They give contradictory instructions.

just do as blm demands, disband the police and let the fcommunity police itself /s