"hands up don't shoot" is still shouted, even though its proven false

so yes, blm would support that claim

my cosplay guns either look fake as hell or have craptons of orange plastic and scream this is a toy

What about that Dallas case? Cop invades someone's home and shoots them?

For a little while there was an effort to explain that away

is that the case where the officer was banging on the door trying to force entry because they "mistook" it for their apartmant?

Cops in this country definitely overreact to situations, but I think they have justified reasons.
People try to kill them on a daily basis

Yes

Doesn't always make it ok

She was drunk

yeah, that bitch was obviusly looking to get rid of an annoying neihbour

@taekahn @Misomania Read what I said. People who support BLM won't say they're against evidence. They might in reality ignore it or unreasonably diminish the validity of it, but they don't just say they're "against evidence".

@StableChaos actions speak louder than words. That said, not every BLM, hell probably most, don't see it that way. However, it's the leaders who seem to hold this view. And not intentionally. But it seems that if the person shot is black, they believe they are innocent because they think that most black people shot are innocent or not doing something worth getting shot. Then they refuse to believe anything else. They typically form this opinion before any real facts come out. And then simply call the facts bs.

was kind of annoyed they searched hsi place and then used the drugs to try and descredit the victim

There was an effort at first to cover that up

That annoyed me too

@StableChaos ok, sure. A semantic debate.
Yes, they probably won't say "i'm against evidence" They will just say "i reject your evidence"

same diff as far as i'm concerned

I'm against identity politics but at the same time I'm against actions based off prejudice.

There is and always will be bad cops.

@taekahn It's an important distinction because it highlights the problem. You can't reason with people who outright reject reality. But you can theoretically convince someone that the police and government institutions can be trusted.

There is and always will be bad departments (with good cops in them)

There is and has been a problem of bad cops getting passed around from department to department.

People can be prejudiced. We can't stop that, we're human. But people need to police thier actions especially if they are a public official.

@StableChaos I think they use evidence even if contrary to claim it supports their case actually, they aren't against evidence it's just that they start at a conclusion and assume all evidence proves that

isn't being against identity politics and being against actions based off prejudice the same thing?

identity politics is entirely focused on prejudice based on observed factors

for or against

@Misomania Definitely true. But that's the attitude that needs to change.

@StableChaos thus we get the act of not being racist being called a form of racism because everything must be

I don't think so. I'm not about racial benefits but I also don't want to see racial detriment

bad cops target people for all kinds of reasons. Looking poor/homeless, being of a certain race, being a certain religion, being of a certain political party in recent years. Finding bad cops and making sure they never work as cops again should be the aim.

right, but any actions taking against someone based on their race could arguably be identity politics.

I don't think actions should be based on race, plus or minus

i got that, i'm saying that racism is inherit to identity politics.

Racial prejudice is identity

Yes, on the part of the prejudiced person

Not the victim

The individual is the smallest minority

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p51ZWtJUPN8

Oh this one must've been when I was out of town