of course but how will they get that track record if they just learn the stuff out of high school

after a certain amount of years, i agree that experience trumps the degree

"Why you should not vote Democrat"

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Like everybody else: by starting small.

but the degree helps you get in the door

I'm actually much more hesitant about the reverse: to put some noob on an important project straight out of college. I take someone with experience over degree any time.

the degree is a fashion of transferring the training cost from corporations to the potential employee

Well you're both right here

yes, i agree with you UM

Having a degree is one way to get experience, but it has become progressively worse.

A person who has gone to college cam actually prove his worth, and has experience other experienced people

Relying on a degree would actually be a horrible idea today.

@Undead Mockingbird i say it depends on the industry

But a person can get even better on his own

You do not want to hire anyone on their degree. The best people I have ever hired were self-taught.

Personally, degrees mean a lot here still

I am speaking with personal experience from software engineering and friends from electrical engineering and IT are saying the same.

that's definitely possible but as a corporation, you're looking at either hiring a noob, investing 3-4 years in basic fundamentals and then they can walk. whereas with a degree, the company skips those 3-4 years in training

In the end, the big companies and important projects put you through a one or two day hiring process anyway.

A lot of everything you learn, you have to learn on your own

And that's after a phone screening and having verified your work history.

The teachers simply give you a question bank

And every week tell us to finish a module

After you've had one or two jobs, nobody cares about your degree anymore.

but you have no work history if you're straight out of high school and spend your time learning the subject on your own

For most people, your educational history becomes a one line item on your resume.

again, i agree but i don't think we're arguing the same point

@Timcast https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1062764017373061120?s=19

Well, if you have nothing to show for yourself, of course that's a tough sell.

But that is true with or without degree.

i disagree

i think the degree is a definite plus over not having degree

strictly for the purpose of getting your foot in the door

after that, yeah, the degree doesn't have as much sway

experience talks more

You are talking about a case where nobody has anything BUT a degree. I don't think that's a fair comparison to someone who is self-taught.

but no one is going to hire you in an engineering firm doing engineering without a degree

You are not comparing it to someone self-taught, you are comparing someone with a degree and having put in effort with someone who has done nothing. How is that apples to apples?

that's not what i'm doing

example: engineering

Which type of engineering?