Message from @Dan V
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A lot of everything you learn, you have to learn on your own
And that's after a phone screening and having verified your work history.
The teachers simply give you a question bank
And every week tell us to finish a module
After you've had one or two jobs, nobody cares about your degree anymore.
but you have no work history if you're straight out of high school and spend your time learning the subject on your own
For most people, your educational history becomes a one line item on your resume.
again, i agree but i don't think we're arguing the same point
Well, if you have nothing to show for yourself, of course that's a tough sell.
But that is true with or without degree.
i disagree
i think the degree is a definite plus over not having degree
strictly for the purpose of getting your foot in the door
after that, yeah, the degree doesn't have as much sway
experience talks more
You are talking about a case where nobody has anything BUT a degree. I don't think that's a fair comparison to someone who is self-taught.
but no one is going to hire you in an engineering firm doing engineering without a degree
You are not comparing it to someone self-taught, you are comparing someone with a degree and having put in effort with someone who has done nothing. How is that apples to apples?
that's not what i'm doing
Which type of engineering?
someone who has a bachelors degree compared to someone who studied at home for 3-4 years
mech, civ, elec, whatever
I still don't think that's a fair comparison.
You are not expected to just take someone's word for what they have done at home for 4 years.
but you won't get experience without the degree, which is my point. how can you learn at a firm without getting hired first? how can you get hired without the degree
You are still comparing someone who is trying to get their first job without a degree to someone with a degree.
the person with a degree is also trying to get their first job
I don't think that's fair. There are many ways you can get work experience that an employer can rely on.
maybe i didn't make that clear
And if there is no way, it is usually because the government prohibits it, not because one could not learn it themselves.
i agree
but that is also my point
there are some industries in which a degree is required
due to public safety
Well, yes, there are chicken and egg situations then.
Catch 22s.
Which is why I hate fields that are regulated in those ways.
I have had excellent software engineers and mechanical engineers who didn't have a degree.
Or, they said that their college/university was completely useless.