And that's after a phone screening and having verified your work history.

The teachers simply give you a question bank

And every week tell us to finish a module

After you've had one or two jobs, nobody cares about your degree anymore.

but you have no work history if you're straight out of high school and spend your time learning the subject on your own

For most people, your educational history becomes a one line item on your resume.

again, i agree but i don't think we're arguing the same point

@Timcast https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1062764017373061120?s=19

Well, if you have nothing to show for yourself, of course that's a tough sell.

But that is true with or without degree.

i disagree

i think the degree is a definite plus over not having degree

strictly for the purpose of getting your foot in the door

after that, yeah, the degree doesn't have as much sway

experience talks more

You are talking about a case where nobody has anything BUT a degree. I don't think that's a fair comparison to someone who is self-taught.

but no one is going to hire you in an engineering firm doing engineering without a degree

You are not comparing it to someone self-taught, you are comparing someone with a degree and having put in effort with someone who has done nothing. How is that apples to apples?

that's not what i'm doing

example: engineering

Which type of engineering?

someone who has a bachelors degree compared to someone who studied at home for 3-4 years

mech, civ, elec, whatever

I still don't think that's a fair comparison.

You are not expected to just take someone's word for what they have done at home for 4 years.

but you won't get experience without the degree, which is my point. how can you learn at a firm without getting hired first? how can you get hired without the degree

You are still comparing someone who is trying to get their first job without a degree to someone with a degree.

the person with a degree is also trying to get their first job

I don't think that's fair. There are many ways you can get work experience that an employer can rely on.

maybe i didn't make that clear

And if there is no way, it is usually because the government prohibits it, not because one could not learn it themselves.

i agree

but that is also my point

there are some industries in which a degree is required

due to public safety

Well, yes, there are chicken and egg situations then.

Catch 22s.

Which is why I hate fields that are regulated in those ways.

I have had excellent software engineers and mechanical engineers who didn't have a degree.

Or, they said that their college/university was completely useless.

I have a degree and I found it a waste of time.