I'm agnostic on that topic

So, you don't really care about the economic benefits of marriage as it applies to your family.

I have no idea where that "paper" was published so I cannot speak much about it other than to say I find it ridiculous

as a male I'm kind of against marriage anyway, lol. Men get screwed big time by alimony and child custody. To me it's all about blood relations, while non blood related familys are a different entitity

Lmao

Oh, I do. But I'm not asking for any special consideration.

If we have a contract that has two consenting adults, it should be available to any two consenting adults.

And then apply laws equally. For example, if something changed and my wife divorced me she'd make a mint off me I'm sure. But then again I would not be as successful as I am without her so that would be just.

If we were not married, she would have less of a claim on the "delta" of my worth that she made possible

I welcome this reality. I'm am happy to be married despite her claim on me. And despite we are platonic so no "benefits". 😉

but there needs to be a different one for just cases which result in reproduction I think, as that means the resources of the couple need to be redirected legally as an inheritance toward those children. That being, if something happens to you then how much is she legally required to be there for your children

The children are ours. We're both on their birth certificates.

You raised them, but I assume at least one of you is not genetically related to them.

Unless cloning technology had a breakthrough while I wasn't looking.

lol

There are lesbians who use anonymous donor sperm

They can then both be named on the BC

If you're extra fancy iirc there's a method that uses bone marrow so it could be genetically both of yours

Wait, so they *can* do that now? Go figure.

In my case it's a little different. I'll fess up. I produced the sperm for our kids. I am a fully post-op transwoman and have been "jewel free" since last decade, shortly after our son (now 17yo) was born. This is why I mention that we're platonic and that my wife doesn't find me attractive. Just as you can't turn a gay person straight, you cannot turn a straight person gay.

We stuck together despite it being rather a surprise for her at the time and are very happy now.

I'm not convinced you can't turn a straight person gay, or a gay person straight. The question with that is whether what's required to do that is ethical and/or causes even more harm.

I cant wait to see the logical progression of that line of thinking

Both of them that is

Mike Pence knows how to straighten out a gay person

All I can tell you is that my wife *wanted* to follow me down this path and be sexually active together. We went to "toy" stores and did the strap on thing. In the end she had to get drunk beforehand and that just made no sense.

I've seen a lot of kids really messed by by "reparative therapy"

I have a friend who I'd say was likely turned gay.

Mike "if you like cock prepare for a shock" Pence

It's anecdotal, and can't in any way be indicative of how most gay people are, but I'm fairly certain of it

based on what exactly?

I know a fair few people who have changed their sexuality. Some of them multiple times throughout their lives.

Well, I base it on my knowledge of him as a person.

I don't believe there's any ethical way to change a person's orientation.
The closest I've seen to changing orientations is trauma which often are on the same level as trauma which induces personality disorders.

A lot of people are bi and can go either way whether they admit it or not, but someone who is firmly straight is pretty well set

It would stand to reason that people can change their own preferences

I only came to appreciate that through our experience

If that werent the case bisexuality wouldnt be a thing

But not everyone is bi

They dont need to be bi in order to be able to change their preference

***I'm bi, you're bi, aren't we all a little bi?***