Message from @Dvir

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2018-11-25 01:30:51 UTC  

Or care about your people

2018-11-25 01:31:13 UTC  

Like a huge GDP but everyone is a slave. I guess that's the opposite of populist?

2018-11-25 01:32:09 UTC  

האם היה לך טוב שמינית עצרת ושמחת תורה בחודש שעבר?

2018-11-25 01:33:28 UTC  

I can't get the phrase to post in the correct direction. I'm still set to US English. Anyway. Did you have a good Shmini Atzaret and Simchat Torah last month?

2018-11-25 01:34:09 UTC  

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2018-11-25 01:34:14 UTC  

No nation is great that embraces or espouses slavery and/or indentured servitude.

2018-11-25 01:34:14 UTC  

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2018-11-25 01:35:21 UTC  

I'm just kinda fuming about the Dems immigration flip, because I understand what's driving it and it's nasty.

2018-11-25 01:37:24 UTC  

Lmao the IRS on thot patrol

2018-11-25 01:37:33 UTC  

That made my day

2018-11-25 01:38:58 UTC  

Good night ppl

2018-11-25 02:21:10 UTC  

my fellow pipls are on here shekels for all

2018-11-25 02:21:16 UTC  

and by all i mean me

2018-11-25 02:23:09 UTC  

"All that you think is yours, was mine already." G. Soros.

2018-11-25 02:23:16 UTC  

Why be a jew or a christian when you can be both?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463054787336732683/516076376089165824/Star_of_Nazareth.png

2018-11-25 02:23:33 UTC  

LOL. Jews for esus?

2018-11-25 02:23:40 UTC  

*Jews for Jesus?

2018-11-25 02:23:53 UTC  

Mashiyach Yeshua Ha'Nozri is the preferred name.

2018-11-25 02:24:06 UTC  

Or Messiah Yeshua.

2018-11-25 02:24:34 UTC  

Not Yeshua ben Yusef Ha'Nozri?

2018-11-25 02:26:09 UTC  

He is Ben-Yusef, I believe and I am pretty sure most other Netzarim believe in a figurative virgin birth rather than a literal one, but nonetheless Yeshua is foremost the spiritual son of YHWH.

2018-11-25 02:27:13 UTC  

Thus Ha'Mashiyach, transcending his earthly father to be one with his spiritual one.

2018-11-25 02:28:44 UTC  

*Some said, "Mary conceived by the Holy Spirit." They are in error. They do not know what they are saying. When did a woman ever conceive by a woman? Mary is the virgin whom no power defiled. She is a great anathema to the Hebrews, who are the apostles and the apostolic men. This virgin whom no power defiled [...] the powers defile themselves. And the Lord would not have said "My Father who is in Heaven" (Mt 16:17), unless he had had another father, but he would have said simply "My father".*

2018-11-25 02:29:03 UTC  

But where in your belief system does Miryam (Mary) fit in? [Fair disclosure: pro-religion & religious freedom long time (29 years) agnostic- atheist here]

2018-11-25 02:30:12 UTC  

Does she have a similar position as where the Catholics place her, as far as devotion is concerned, or does she take a more subdued role in the overall ceremonial and practical application?

2018-11-25 02:32:12 UTC  

She remains pivotal as the mother of the messiah, she is still virgin in terms of spirit, she becomes inhabited with the spiritual aspect of Yeshua before the material aspect of Yosef which is still important.

2018-11-25 02:32:32 UTC  

Because in many of the devout deep-narrative beliefs I've researched, there is a certain ceremonial and devotional high level position for a father, mother, child triad of archetypes.

2018-11-25 02:34:05 UTC  

That is one spot where I disagree with more traditional Netzarim beliefs, at least the ones i've read on. I believe in the trinity of Elohim rather than an absolute unity that is indistinguishable.

2018-11-25 02:34:50 UTC  

Probably because I am a judaized christian rather than a messianic jew my views will often trend closer to gentile aspects of christianity.

2018-11-25 02:35:45 UTC  

One of the people I learned from spoke of an internal "ego triad" of the three egos of human existence, one of which was in control of all decision-making and behavioral/responsory actions at any given time, much like the father, mother, child, though in the individual trinity it is called child (archaeo-psychic ego), adult (neo-psychic ego) and parent (extero-psychic ego.)

2018-11-25 02:35:49 UTC  

With a more than healthy dose of gnosticism alongside it, which I believe to be a better idealized form of pre-neoplatonic jewish Kabbalah.

2018-11-25 02:36:22 UTC  

I really like Gnosticism, I've studied numerous iterations of it across history.

2018-11-25 02:36:31 UTC  

That is also how I rationalize the trinity since it is often found in nature, especially human nature.

2018-11-25 02:36:48 UTC  

Such as the ego triad I mentioned above.

2018-11-25 02:36:49 UTC  

With the idealized human being able to be characterized as a body, soul, and spirit.

2018-11-25 02:36:53 UTC  

Yes

2018-11-25 02:37:28 UTC  

I personally hold consciousness to be the result of possessing a body, soul, and spirit. With our consciousness being what links us to god.

2018-11-25 02:37:52 UTC  

Where the importance of understanding those three egos, ow to recognize which is which and which one is in control, both in yourself and in others at any given point in time is in what's called interactive transactions, or any time you interact with another human being in any capacity.

2018-11-25 02:38:25 UTC  

Yeah, I'm guessing you are also familiar with Jungian psychology then?

2018-11-25 02:39:44 UTC  

When someone whose neo-psychic ego is currently "at the wheel" comes across an fully grown chronological adult wose archaeo-psychic ego is "at the wheel" it affects how the "adult" must interact with the "child" to ensure a successful communicative or experiential transaction with one another.

2018-11-25 02:40:41 UTC  

Yeah, it is an abstraction of the idealized process of proper human development.