Message from @Mr.McKinley

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2018-11-25 02:24:34 UTC  

Not Yeshua ben Yusef Ha'Nozri?

2018-11-25 02:26:09 UTC  

He is Ben-Yusef, I believe and I am pretty sure most other Netzarim believe in a figurative virgin birth rather than a literal one, but nonetheless Yeshua is foremost the spiritual son of YHWH.

2018-11-25 02:27:13 UTC  

Thus Ha'Mashiyach, transcending his earthly father to be one with his spiritual one.

2018-11-25 02:28:44 UTC  

*Some said, "Mary conceived by the Holy Spirit." They are in error. They do not know what they are saying. When did a woman ever conceive by a woman? Mary is the virgin whom no power defiled. She is a great anathema to the Hebrews, who are the apostles and the apostolic men. This virgin whom no power defiled [...] the powers defile themselves. And the Lord would not have said "My Father who is in Heaven" (Mt 16:17), unless he had had another father, but he would have said simply "My father".*

2018-11-25 02:29:03 UTC  

But where in your belief system does Miryam (Mary) fit in? [Fair disclosure: pro-religion & religious freedom long time (29 years) agnostic- atheist here]

2018-11-25 02:30:12 UTC  

Does she have a similar position as where the Catholics place her, as far as devotion is concerned, or does she take a more subdued role in the overall ceremonial and practical application?

2018-11-25 02:32:12 UTC  

She remains pivotal as the mother of the messiah, she is still virgin in terms of spirit, she becomes inhabited with the spiritual aspect of Yeshua before the material aspect of Yosef which is still important.

2018-11-25 02:32:32 UTC  

Because in many of the devout deep-narrative beliefs I've researched, there is a certain ceremonial and devotional high level position for a father, mother, child triad of archetypes.

2018-11-25 02:34:05 UTC  

That is one spot where I disagree with more traditional Netzarim beliefs, at least the ones i've read on. I believe in the trinity of Elohim rather than an absolute unity that is indistinguishable.

2018-11-25 02:34:50 UTC  

Probably because I am a judaized christian rather than a messianic jew my views will often trend closer to gentile aspects of christianity.

2018-11-25 02:35:45 UTC  

One of the people I learned from spoke of an internal "ego triad" of the three egos of human existence, one of which was in control of all decision-making and behavioral/responsory actions at any given time, much like the father, mother, child, though in the individual trinity it is called child (archaeo-psychic ego), adult (neo-psychic ego) and parent (extero-psychic ego.)

2018-11-25 02:35:49 UTC  

With a more than healthy dose of gnosticism alongside it, which I believe to be a better idealized form of pre-neoplatonic jewish Kabbalah.

2018-11-25 02:36:22 UTC  

I really like Gnosticism, I've studied numerous iterations of it across history.

2018-11-25 02:36:31 UTC  

That is also how I rationalize the trinity since it is often found in nature, especially human nature.

2018-11-25 02:36:48 UTC  

Such as the ego triad I mentioned above.

2018-11-25 02:36:49 UTC  

With the idealized human being able to be characterized as a body, soul, and spirit.

2018-11-25 02:36:53 UTC  

Yes

2018-11-25 02:37:28 UTC  

I personally hold consciousness to be the result of possessing a body, soul, and spirit. With our consciousness being what links us to god.

2018-11-25 02:37:52 UTC  

Where the importance of understanding those three egos, ow to recognize which is which and which one is in control, both in yourself and in others at any given point in time is in what's called interactive transactions, or any time you interact with another human being in any capacity.

2018-11-25 02:38:25 UTC  

Yeah, I'm guessing you are also familiar with Jungian psychology then?

2018-11-25 02:39:44 UTC  

When someone whose neo-psychic ego is currently "at the wheel" comes across an fully grown chronological adult wose archaeo-psychic ego is "at the wheel" it affects how the "adult" must interact with the "child" to ensure a successful communicative or experiential transaction with one another.

2018-11-25 02:40:41 UTC  

Yeah, it is an abstraction of the idealized process of proper human development.

2018-11-25 02:40:45 UTC  

I have a Masters in Forensic Psychology and Behavioral Analysis. It's what I've done for a living for 20 years, though I'm a researcher and analyst in the intelligence community, not a clinician shrinking heads on a couch.

2018-11-25 02:41:17 UTC  

Nice, I am currently an undergraduate psych major and plan on at least getting my graduate and maybe my doctorate.

2018-11-25 02:41:48 UTC  

Along with minors in military science and theology.

2018-11-25 02:42:03 UTC  

I would recommend both Georgetown University and John Jay College (though you might want to stay out of John Jay's Economics Dept these days). I am a graduate of both,.

2018-11-25 02:42:59 UTC  

I currently go to OSU, my second year in University first year transfer. I had a not so pleasant first of college going to a liberal arts college called Beloit.

2018-11-25 02:43:33 UTC  

Also the National Intelligence University, US Navy Center for Information Warfare, and The Naval Postgraduate School all also have excellent programs, and I tooks some specialized courses at those locations as well.

2018-11-25 02:44:12 UTC  

I'm in the Army, planning on specializing in military intelligence.

2018-11-25 02:45:40 UTC  

By army I mean ROTC for the US Army.

2018-11-25 02:45:55 UTC  

If you're thinking of using your Psych degree to in any way directly interact with people, I would strenuously suggest studying Transactional Analysis, the Facial Action Coding System developed by Paul Eckman, and as much behavioral analysis as you can fit in. Relying on the DSM and "Psychology" alone can end up getting an individual in trouble more often than most consider.

2018-11-25 02:46:49 UTC  

Also learn cognitive biases, memory biases, social biases and logical fallacies until they are second nature and how to recognize them in real time, in situ.

2018-11-25 02:47:30 UTC  

I am interested in studying depth psychology and maybe social psychology.

2018-11-25 02:48:10 UTC  

In Social Psychology, you DEFINITELY want to have a relataively advanced working knowledge in all of the above mentioned skills.

2018-11-25 02:49:32 UTC  

Yes, I am still a few terms away before actually having to start seriously planning how I specialize my major.

2018-11-25 02:49:52 UTC  

Much of my work in studying the process of radicalization to violence across the political and religious spectrums has used every one of the above skills frequently, without which I may have made some serious mistakes quite often by now, for a very long time now.

2018-11-25 02:50:10 UTC  

Still taking a lot of fundamental classes like data analysis or research methodology

2018-11-25 02:50:58 UTC  

That is an interesting study, religious and ideological radicalization. Do you know much about Islam and the Quran?

2018-11-25 02:51:02 UTC  

Pay close attention in both, however I might sidebar by suggesting you ignore any professor telling you to have a greater reliance on algorithms and AI augmentation.

2018-11-25 02:51:49 UTC  

The way we are already applying AI scares me, it feels to indirect from Human use and too automated.

2018-11-25 02:52:01 UTC  

It isn't a matter of not using algo's/AI or *not* using them. It's a matter of not relying on them but only using them as an enhancement for your own cognitive processes.