There are a million indications for it. Take the Equal Rights Amendment, which conservatives largely helped to oppose.

I still havnt been told what, "treat them like adults" means besides, blaming them for everything

We have two kinds of feminists:

Those with pink hair and those on the right who will shout "man up!" before holding any woman accountable.

If a women needs to take "responiblity" for her actions

You are a stellar example and this conversation is a great show case example as to what is wrong in society.

Treating them like adults would be:
Equal rights = equal responsability

Then she shouldnt have been raped

When push comes to shove, you fall back on the same retarded NPC lines like "You just hate women" as the very people you proclaim to be vehemently opposed to.

*mic drop*

So at what point do we start to blame the abusers rather than the victims?

is my only concern with your argument

I am done with you, you man child.

*raises hand*

We always blame the abusers

when the abusers have been proven to be abusers

There is -not- a victim until a crime has actually been proven.

but undead, wants to make it so that abusers as a class do no exist

For example:
Man & women have sex, much later a rapeclaim is being made.
Word of a women should not be worth more then a man, but it is seen like that and constantly being pushed to be like that right now.
Actual evidence should be the deciding factor of this.

because he believes that men dont actually abuse women sometimes

Trit I agree with you there

I dont think thats a fair statement from what ive seen

undead wouldnt

really

Like I have asked atleast 4 times, now a fifth

like i said i only started following this thing later on so idk what was said before

innocent until proven guilty. Weather its man or woman

At what point do we blame abusers, over the victim

Here is a simple formula I follow:

When it gets to the point that an NPC plays the "You just hate women." card, you simply declare yourself the winner and walk away.

You have pushed the NPC as far you can. It's a waste of time beyond that.

Undead told me straiight up, Its my moms fault for being abused by my dad for marrying him

Now, at what point is it not my moms fault?

I dont blame victims, but me just questioning a "victim" is now considered blaming the victim

sure she had some part of the blame, she shouldnt of stuck with him

That much is clear

but do we just say its her own fault, or do we punish my dad for what he did?

Like seriously, undeads argument says, that my dad should get off scott free

Right well

My stepdad was a psychopath

So, seriously at what point do we stop blaming the victims of ACTUAL abuse

im not gonna go into detail what he did

But i did blame my mother for not throwing him out after i told her about what he was doing for 5 years straight

But I can understand that