Message from @Cody
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Not everyone can think RATIONALLY over things like this
Wait, being held accountable is a problem?
That is the problem for my thinking?
no
its the how that is in question
When a man has a child, we hold him accountable for providing for it in most instances, to the point of incarceration - at least in the US.
should you jail them for choosing it? let the abuser go?
or social accountability
something that is cultural, not legal
codes seems to assume legal
When a woman keeps going back to a man or refuses to leave the relationship, I do not want to be held accountable through my taxes financing the stupidity of single moms.
ah
I do not care what choices people make with their lives. When they are stupid, I might help them out the first time. But eventually, they have to be responsible adults.
but what about a dead beat who gets up an leaves? or someone who turns abusive and the person then leaves soon after that change
What we have now is a victimhood industry that is being financed to the tune of $4 billion. That is what I want women held responsible for.
i mean, personally i think society and not the government should be the person to help them
and how would they be held responsible?
If men and women are equal, adults, why the imbalance?
Not being paid money for having useless little whelps.
In what ways people must be held responsible is not always immediately clear. I cannot answer that question across the board.
"but what about a dead beat who gets up an leaves? or someone who turns abusive and the person then leaves soon after that change"
Grenade your kami
As it is, men shoulder the choices of women. More broadly, we as a society shoulder the bad decisions of other people, which is why I am such a thorough libertarian. To some degree, I am willing to bear that burden, in exchange for others helping me out with my mess ups.
That has literally been my argument this whole time
I wonder if I am not the one to say it, he will actually listen
People always nod their heads in response to these arguments, we are all libertarian in conversation, but when we have to swallow the bitter pill and be held accountable for our own actions, when we have to deal with the mess we WILLINGLY kept ourselves in, it appears to incur an outrage every time.
if so, you have been intentionally assuming the worst of undead's argument codes.
I have been doing it intentionally, cause he kept insulting me for no reason
I knew exactly what he meant
Ignore then.
because you kept acting like cathy newman?
In fact, I think our opinion of it is very similar
Codes, you just admitted that you have comprehended these aspects of my arguments and you STILL chose to straw man everything I have said above in that manner.
Are you fucking with me?
Are you seriously that stupid?
You shouldnt insult people
Are you trolling?
Are you arguing to get a rise out of people?
you shouldn't. but faning the flames just leads to bs
I don't use outright ad hominem very often.