If she - or HE - is truly coerced, then the person doing the coercion is culpable.

codes, that question misses the point entirely

they have the options, they should use them

If she runs back to him for the third time, then it's like a drowning victim that keeps jumping back into the pool.

What do you want me to say?

not at all, it displays the problem with his thinking

your response should be what if they don't know about those options

It's precisely those situations that we make most excuses. We have all kinds of expressions like "emotional abuse" and go to the point of allowing women to MURDER their husbands in their sleep.

Women have all the social and legal protections they need - and then some.

and they shouldnt?

Stop making excuses for women - or any adults - who had a choice in the matter.

or maybe should those same protections apply to men too

If they chose it, hold them accountable.

in what way undead?

cause see, my belief is the former, but in reality it is not that way

If someone is stupid enough to jump into a lake without being able to swim, you can drag them out, but don't pretend like they didn't have a choice in the matter.

@Undead Mockingbird held accountable legally?

See, grenade, your starting to see the problem with his thinking

Not everyone can think RATIONALLY over things like this

Wait, being held accountable is a problem?

That is the problem for my thinking?

no

its the how that is in question

When a man has a child, we hold him accountable for providing for it in most instances, to the point of incarceration - at least in the US.

should you jail them for choosing it? let the abuser go?

or social accountability

something that is cultural, not legal

codes seems to assume legal

When a woman keeps going back to a man or refuses to leave the relationship, I do not want to be held accountable through my taxes financing the stupidity of single moms.

ah

I do not care what choices people make with their lives. When they are stupid, I might help them out the first time. But eventually, they have to be responsible adults.

but what about a dead beat who gets up an leaves? or someone who turns abusive and the person then leaves soon after that change

What we have now is a victimhood industry that is being financed to the tune of $4 billion. That is what I want women held responsible for.

i mean, personally i think society and not the government should be the person to help them

and how would they be held responsible?

If men and women are equal, adults, why the imbalance?

Not being paid money for having useless little whelps.

In what ways people must be held responsible is not always immediately clear. I cannot answer that question across the board.

"but what about a dead beat who gets up an leaves? or someone who turns abusive and the person then leaves soon after that change"

Grenade your kami

As it is, men shoulder the choices of women. More broadly, we as a society shoulder the bad decisions of other people, which is why I am such a thorough libertarian. To some degree, I am willing to bear that burden, in exchange for others helping me out with my mess ups.

That has literally been my argument this whole time