When a woman keeps going back to a man or refuses to leave the relationship, I do not want to be held accountable through my taxes financing the stupidity of single moms.

ah

I do not care what choices people make with their lives. When they are stupid, I might help them out the first time. But eventually, they have to be responsible adults.

but what about a dead beat who gets up an leaves? or someone who turns abusive and the person then leaves soon after that change

What we have now is a victimhood industry that is being financed to the tune of $4 billion. That is what I want women held responsible for.

i mean, personally i think society and not the government should be the person to help them

and how would they be held responsible?

If men and women are equal, adults, why the imbalance?

Not being paid money for having useless little whelps.

In what ways people must be held responsible is not always immediately clear. I cannot answer that question across the board.

"but what about a dead beat who gets up an leaves? or someone who turns abusive and the person then leaves soon after that change"

Grenade your kami

As it is, men shoulder the choices of women. More broadly, we as a society shoulder the bad decisions of other people, which is why I am such a thorough libertarian. To some degree, I am willing to bear that burden, in exchange for others helping me out with my mess ups.

That has literally been my argument this whole time

I wonder if I am not the one to say it, he will actually listen

People always nod their heads in response to these arguments, we are all libertarian in conversation, but when we have to swallow the bitter pill and be held accountable for our own actions, when we have to deal with the mess we WILLINGLY kept ourselves in, it appears to incur an outrage every time.

if so, you have been intentionally assuming the worst of undead's argument codes.

I have been doing it intentionally, cause he kept insulting me for no reason

I knew exactly what he meant

Ignore then.

because you kept acting like cathy newman?

In fact, I think our opinion of it is very similar

Codes, you just admitted that you have comprehended these aspects of my arguments and you STILL chose to straw man everything I have said above in that manner.

Are you fucking with me?

Are you seriously that stupid?

You shouldnt insult people

Are you trolling?

Are you arguing to get a rise out of people?

you shouldn't. but faning the flames just leads to bs

I don't use outright ad hominem very often.

That has literally been you this whole time

"Simp"

anyway this exact type of problem is why i say society, specifically the community they live in, should be the one to help people. Because they are best to know who really deserves help and to what degree.

I have been called an "asshole" by you, for not immediately replying to a point you made, I have been ridiculed, straw manned and labeled a woman hater by you.

"memes about me being some male feminist"

At this point, you deserve a few good ad hominem.

You reap what you sow. I will try to not initiate these kind of things, but I am sure as hell not above returning kind in kind.

there are women who use abusive relationships for pity points. Usually in that case they are mutually abusive and the question of "who started it" got lost to time.

neighbors and friends would know best if that is the situation

You did intiate it, I asked, "at what point do we blame abusers"