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Isn’t that he purpose of the 2nd, to form militias when under threat?
Alaska is on South Carolina's side.
The Alaskan independence party is now one of the biggest parties in the state.
Alaska is the US's oil Derrick.
@Alpaca13 I only defend California in principle that secession be justified
As the founding fathers of the United States of America made clear in the Declaration of Independence in 1776:
"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
"...Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government..."
I believe that the Union is like a marriage, and if it is dysfuctional and incapable of being mutually beneficial to both partners—(State & Federal)—, then the “marriage” must be dissolved
The States have right to leave if they so choose so as a final option.
Reminder that Thomas Jefferson wanted a secession clause, but was shot down by others.
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I believe that the Union must be dissolved if it cannot function.
The very *fact* that we have politicians direct and openly threatening firearm seizure, open discussion of limitations on certain politicial freedom; is only reinforced by Columbia’s rotten corruption, lobbying and factionalism gangster tactics.
This all together is enough to secede.
As the founding fathers said, when the relationship with the government becomes destructive, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it.
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And the government won't let itself be abolished without deadly force.
Let there be no confusion, *We the People* have the legal authority by the philosophy of the foundation of this Union to leave if we so ordain to. And if any faction stands in the way of this measure risks being the ideological alien enemy of the founders and the spirit of the Union itself.
There is a reason we are the United States, and not simply called a single word like Germany, France, or Italy.
It is because we are a conglomeration of entities, not just one.
In terms of economy each of our states are equal to that of other countries.
Authortarianism is not a single government ideology’s tool as I am sure you agree Justin, that it can be used by its definition to keep this dysfunctional Union together; by force of arms. And that is why I stand with these parties.
If they (DC) wish for peaceful secession to escalate to bloodshed, then by all means we shall respond.
If they should not want succession, then do not make the relationship between the states and themselves toxic.
^ Agreed
I understand the concern of a weaker United States and the defense of these state republics
But let us not become gluttonous, we do not need a million armed men to defend ourselves when Republics such as Ireland do fine with at most 100k men active and in reserve.
Alabama by itself is equal to the size of the largest isle of Britannia with a higher population than Ireland, that alone eradicates confusion on the matter of Alabama being able to defend itself.
"As long as the union was faithful to her trust, like friends and like brethren, kind we were and just, but now when northern treachery attempts our rights to Mar, we hoist the Bonnie blue flag that bears a single star"
Indeed.
I hear from actual Veterans of the odds.
But freedom is never easy.
The tree of liberty, must be bathed with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
I respect Alice’s opinion but when a relationship has become about power rather than mutual cooperation, then you have right to leave.
well, Maine here I come
stop that
Okay but you don’t leave the country anymore. That shit made sense when countries were still building themselves up but we’ve been 50 states and it needs to stay that way. Don’t leave, fucking fight back like you always talk about but yet you’re literally saying let’s run away. As if that’s going to fix any issue at all. The US military will come after the state that left and gain it back. Simple as that. If you feel like your government is that bad to where you want to leave then you do what you yell another constantly which is “bare arms and fight back”.