Message from @zero_consequences
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people think capitalism is mercantilism cuz they romanticize it
I would maybe say that there was a freer option, but Tucker isn't "dumb" for thinking that's not the case.
No Tucker said capitalism was helped by holding it back
you can't honestly tell me that you have conducted a thorough analysis of the political situation TR inherited, and _completely ruled out the possibility that a restriction was necessary_
you are basically just assuming that, in the real political situation of the time, you could make the market permanently freer and not be undercut by the next president
which I think needs more proof than Tucker's assertion
Is this any more of a contradiction than socialism, in Marx's own words, needing to come from a place of the wealth of capitalism before becoming "true"?
without capitalism, there are no industrial workers
Socialism is communism but not communism yet
without industrial workers, there is no socialism!
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anyway screw this
MRRA is either trolling, or is too stupid to conceptualize anything more complex than sheer adherence to an ideology
*communisim hasn't really been tried yet*
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and of course, willing to call people stupid for having ideas he doesn't understand
I mean I challenged ruckas opinion, which he has the right to. but its my opinion to say its shit.
@xorgy In what way?
How do you help capitalism by holding it back?
What Tucker said was horribly phrased
well I dont have time to get into it, but restrictions and regulations do help the market to keep things at the upper echelon fair. at the supply and demand level, which is the backbone, that doesn't need restrictions or regulations. Which is why sugar taxes and not having 44oz fountain sodas is retarded in blue states
The market not capitalism
But thats another debate
Also this is what I mean by free market I dont think my view on it is what people consider capitalism
In a free economy, where no man or group of men can use physical coercion against anyone, economic power can be achieved only by voluntary means: by the voluntary choice and agreement of all those who participate in the process of production and trade. In a free market, all prices, wages, and profits are determined—not by the arbitrary whim of the rich or of the poor, not by anyone’s “greed” or by anyone’s need—but by the law of supply and demand. The mechanism of a free market reflects and sums up all the economic choices and decisions made by all the participants. Men trade their goods or services by mutual consent to mutual advantage, according to their own independent, uncoerced judgment. A man can grow rich only if he is able to offer better values—better products or services, at a lower price—than others are able to offer.
Wealth, in a free market, is achieved by a free, general, “democratic” vote—by the sales and the purchases of every individual who takes part in the economic life of the country. Whenever you buy one product rather than another, you are voting for the success of some manufacturer. And, in this type of voting, every man votes only on those matters which he is qualified to judge: on his own preferences, interests, and needs. No one has the power to decide for others or to substitute his judgment for theirs; no one has the power to appoint himself “the voice of the public” and to leave the public voiceless and disfranchised.
Anti trust laws would be a contradiction of this as they are force
I am an Laissez-faire capitalist
no, you are a rube with an identity
stop identifying as a capitalist, and instead think about why capitalism is uniquely moral.
then come back to talk over the finer points, and only then, decide who to call dumb. ;- )
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Im not talking about morals you brainlet
If you really want to know it protects mans survival and is consistent with his rationality
Id say capitalism is inherently better because it doesn’t discriminate based on class
Holy shit I am tired
if I do all that intersectional test...with all the same data, except instead of middle for rich/poor .. I drag it to the poorest.. it went from 13 to 15
Yeah
they don't care if you are poor
only Not white, not straight, not binary