Message from @Existence is identity

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2018-12-01 02:55:10 UTC  

you assume that a proper free market was on the table as an option

2018-12-01 02:55:18 UTC  

Anti competition laws are force

2018-12-01 02:55:26 UTC  

And anti property

2018-12-01 02:55:49 UTC  

people think capitalism is mercantilism cuz they romanticize it

2018-12-01 02:56:02 UTC  

I would maybe say that there was a freer option, but Tucker isn't "dumb" for thinking that's not the case.

2018-12-01 02:56:41 UTC  

No Tucker said capitalism was helped by holding it back

2018-12-01 02:56:44 UTC  

you can't honestly tell me that you have conducted a thorough analysis of the political situation TR inherited, and _completely ruled out the possibility that a restriction was necessary_

2018-12-01 02:57:42 UTC  

you are basically just assuming that, in the real political situation of the time, you could make the market permanently freer and not be undercut by the next president

2018-12-01 02:58:01 UTC  

which I think needs more proof than Tucker's assertion

2018-12-01 02:58:25 UTC  

Is this any more of a contradiction than socialism, in Marx's own words, needing to come from a place of the wealth of capitalism before becoming "true"?

2018-12-01 02:58:42 UTC  

without capitalism, there are no industrial workers

2018-12-01 02:58:45 UTC  

Socialism is communism but not communism yet

2018-12-01 02:58:48 UTC  

without industrial workers, there is no socialism!

2018-12-01 02:58:52 UTC  

...

2018-12-01 02:58:57 UTC  

anyway screw this

2018-12-01 02:59:30 UTC  

MRRA is either trolling, or is too stupid to conceptualize anything more complex than sheer adherence to an ideology

2018-12-01 02:59:32 UTC  

*communisim hasn't really been tried yet*

2018-12-01 02:59:43 UTC  

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2018-12-01 03:00:14 UTC  

and of course, willing to call people stupid for having ideas he doesn't understand

2018-12-01 03:00:41 UTC  

I mean I challenged ruckas opinion, which he has the right to. but its my opinion to say its shit.

2018-12-01 03:01:05 UTC  

@xorgy In what way?

2018-12-01 03:01:16 UTC  

How do you help capitalism by holding it back?

2018-12-01 03:03:28 UTC  

What Tucker said was horribly phrased

2018-12-01 03:04:45 UTC  

well I dont have time to get into it, but restrictions and regulations do help the market to keep things at the upper echelon fair. at the supply and demand level, which is the backbone, that doesn't need restrictions or regulations. Which is why sugar taxes and not having 44oz fountain sodas is retarded in blue states

2018-12-01 03:05:07 UTC  

The market not capitalism

2018-12-01 03:05:18 UTC  

But thats another debate

2018-12-01 03:08:40 UTC  

Also this is what I mean by free market I dont think my view on it is what people consider capitalism

2018-12-01 03:08:41 UTC  

In a free economy, where no man or group of men can use physical coercion against anyone, economic power can be achieved only by voluntary means: by the voluntary choice and agreement of all those who participate in the process of production and trade. In a free market, all prices, wages, and profits are determined—not by the arbitrary whim of the rich or of the poor, not by anyone’s “greed” or by anyone’s need—but by the law of supply and demand. The mechanism of a free market reflects and sums up all the economic choices and decisions made by all the participants. Men trade their goods or services by mutual consent to mutual advantage, according to their own independent, uncoerced judgment. A man can grow rich only if he is able to offer better values—better products or services, at a lower price—than others are able to offer.

Wealth, in a free market, is achieved by a free, general, “democratic” vote—by the sales and the purchases of every individual who takes part in the economic life of the country. Whenever you buy one product rather than another, you are voting for the success of some manufacturer. And, in this type of voting, every man votes only on those matters which he is qualified to judge: on his own preferences, interests, and needs. No one has the power to decide for others or to substitute his judgment for theirs; no one has the power to appoint himself “the voice of the public” and to leave the public voiceless and disfranchised.

2018-12-01 03:09:43 UTC  

Anti trust laws would be a contradiction of this as they are force

2018-12-01 03:11:23 UTC  

I am an Laissez-faire capitalist

2018-12-01 03:15:08 UTC  
2018-12-01 03:28:31 UTC  

no, you are a rube with an identity

2018-12-01 03:29:17 UTC  

stop identifying as a capitalist, and instead think about why capitalism is uniquely moral.

2018-12-01 03:29:42 UTC  

then come back to talk over the finer points, and only then, decide who to call dumb. ;- )

2018-12-01 03:32:25 UTC  

?

2018-12-01 03:32:42 UTC  

Im not talking about morals you brainlet

2018-12-01 03:43:03 UTC  

If you really want to know it protects mans survival and is consistent with his rationality

2018-12-01 03:44:14 UTC  

Id say capitalism is inherently better because it doesn’t discriminate based on class

2018-12-01 03:44:41 UTC  

Holy shit I am tired

2018-12-01 03:53:22 UTC  

if I do all that intersectional test...with all the same data, except instead of middle for rich/poor .. I drag it to the poorest.. it went from 13 to 15