Even freaking orthadox Jews do this.

What's your point?

@Dusty Morgan yeah but that isn’t the kind of power the founding fathers were talking about; they are telling their congregation to do something, but they have the right in the United States not to do it, and the church has no power to tell the president to do something

Their can’t be a papal bull to the US to stop doing something

People are allowed to tell other people how to vote. That's free expression. Literally all politicians do that, I don't see you saying that's bad.

That even thought there is separation of church and state, the religions are veying for power.

Christians used their overwhelming majority to get laws passed already.

...Yeah. Because they're institutions made by humans.

And that's democracy.

Even though the churches technically not allowed to lobby, they are allowed too.

"We want this thing, we'll vote for it. Oh, look, enough people voted for the thing."

Religion is an idea like all other ideas, and people have the right to follow it and espouse it as any other idea

I disagree

and we should look at "Religion" and compare them

So you what happens if a religion gets majority and uses its majority to abolish the constitution and puts in religious rule?

Welcome to democracy!

That is just it.

UNITED STATES isn't a DEMOCRACY, it is a constitutional republic.

Whose constitution is based off of systems of editing that rely on democratic processes.

That’s the thing; if the majority of the population gets behind any idea, they can pass an amendment

All democracies have a tendacy to become tyrannical, that is why teh founding fathers made us a constitutional republic.

As our Republican constitution allows

So, like you said, anything can change with enough democratic support.

If you don't like it, pass an amendment that doesn't allow any more amendments.

The government doesn't have the right to subvert the constitution.

I’m not even religious myself but I find that logic lacking

Dusty, you must not be aware that a republic is a representative government.

Uh...yes it does.

That's the point.

Our rights are inherited.

Not a privileged granted by the government or a service.

Then how are they so easily taken from you by them?

Amendments are literally subversions of the constitution

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The constitution keeps the fucking government in check.

Not the citizens.

They are privileges. You likely have no inherent authority or right to the things you're thinking of when you say 'right'.

Well, then, it was a bad idea to let the government change the constitution, wasn't it, Dusty?

Ugh... I give up, please, just please look up the constitution.

PLease read it.