Message from @Bookworm
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So, you don't want democracy, got it.
Separation of church and state is fundimental to United States founding.
Even our founding fathers understood this.
Yeah, so was slavery. I don't see you defending that.
And they were themselves christians.
I'm in Germany right now and does it look like the politicians act as democratic elected officials representing the population???
Separation of church and state was supposed to prevent a church as a organizational entity dictating law, not citizens voting based on their religious conscience
No, they don't, Merkel acts like a Dictator
And they dictated a law... through organization of churches.
By legislation through votes.
Look, as long as the Pope isn't dictating policy to America, that portion of the law is functioning as intended.
^^^
We're not going to pretend like the Founders weren't talking about Catholicism.
So many times I have seen churches telling their followers to vote for a certain person.
Pope has no authority here
Muslims do it in their community too.
Most founding fathers were deists
To get muslim community leaders or mayor.
Even freaking orthadox Jews do this.
@Dusty Morgan yeah but that isn’t the kind of power the founding fathers were talking about; they are telling their congregation to do something, but they have the right in the United States not to do it, and the church has no power to tell the president to do something
Their can’t be a papal bull to the US to stop doing something
People are allowed to tell other people how to vote. That's free expression. Literally all politicians do that, I don't see you saying that's bad.
That even thought there is separation of church and state, the religions are veying for power.
Christians used their overwhelming majority to get laws passed already.
...Yeah. Because they're institutions made by humans.
And that's democracy.
Even though the churches technically not allowed to lobby, they are allowed too.
"We want this thing, we'll vote for it. Oh, look, enough people voted for the thing."
Religion is an idea like all other ideas, and people have the right to follow it and espouse it as any other idea
I disagree
and we should look at "Religion" and compare them
So you what happens if a religion gets majority and uses its majority to abolish the constitution and puts in religious rule?
Welcome to democracy!
That is just it.
UNITED STATES isn't a DEMOCRACY, it is a constitutional republic.
Whose constitution is based off of systems of editing that rely on democratic processes.
That’s the thing; if the majority of the population gets behind any idea, they can pass an amendment
All democracies have a tendacy to become tyrannical, that is why teh founding fathers made us a constitutional republic.
As our Republican constitution allows