Message from @Bookworm
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That doesn’t change the incorrectness of your statement; you said that they *made* it illegal
When it always was
It wasn't always fucking illegal.
It's illegal because we have laws against it. People vote for individuals who do what they want. What people want is based on beliefs, including religious beliefs.
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In that sense, what, you want people to be barred from voting for stuff for religious reasons?
Then why even have a democracy?
Yes I don't want religion dictating anything in this nation.... religion has a bad habit of being tyrants towards it citizens.
```Then why even have a democracy?```
Exactly that's the question right now in Euroland...
This is my atheism talking.
So, you don't want democracy, got it.
Separation of church and state is fundimental to United States founding.
Even our founding fathers understood this.
Yeah, so was slavery. I don't see you defending that.
And they were themselves christians.
I'm in Germany right now and does it look like the politicians act as democratic elected officials representing the population???
Separation of church and state was supposed to prevent a church as a organizational entity dictating law, not citizens voting based on their religious conscience
No, they don't, Merkel acts like a Dictator
And they dictated a law... through organization of churches.
By legislation through votes.
Look, as long as the Pope isn't dictating policy to America, that portion of the law is functioning as intended.
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We're not going to pretend like the Founders weren't talking about Catholicism.
So many times I have seen churches telling their followers to vote for a certain person.
Pope has no authority here
Muslims do it in their community too.
Most founding fathers were deists
To get muslim community leaders or mayor.
Even freaking orthadox Jews do this.
What's your point?
@Dusty Morgan yeah but that isn’t the kind of power the founding fathers were talking about; they are telling their congregation to do something, but they have the right in the United States not to do it, and the church has no power to tell the president to do something
Their can’t be a papal bull to the US to stop doing something
People are allowed to tell other people how to vote. That's free expression. Literally all politicians do that, I don't see you saying that's bad.
That even thought there is separation of church and state, the religions are veying for power.
Christians used their overwhelming majority to get laws passed already.
...Yeah. Because they're institutions made by humans.
And that's democracy.
Even though the churches technically not allowed to lobby, they are allowed too.
"We want this thing, we'll vote for it. Oh, look, enough people voted for the thing."
Religion is an idea like all other ideas, and people have the right to follow it and espouse it as any other idea