Message from @Bookworm

Discord ID: 519370051892019203


2018-12-04 04:24:27 UTC  

Because you are arguing that the constitution and bill of rights isn't a inherit right, but a privilege granted to us citizens by the government that can stripe us off at anytime.

2018-12-04 04:24:27 UTC  

Us arguing gives the government power. Incredible.

2018-12-04 04:24:54 UTC  

We aren't arguing for it. We're stating the facts. I don't think any of us like them.

2018-12-04 04:24:57 UTC  

Yes. Because they are.

2018-12-04 04:25:06 UTC  

under Locke the government's only duty is to protect the citizen's property (life, liberty, and possessions)

2018-12-04 04:25:21 UTC  

Rights do get trampled whether or not they're supposed to be.

2018-12-04 04:25:22 UTC  

Theoretically, *everything* in the constitution can be changed

2018-12-04 04:25:31 UTC  

should just be Anarcho-Primitive. Wouldnt need to argue all about this. Just steal each others food and women, then die from TB

2018-12-04 04:25:39 UTC  

We need to decide as a matter of values if any of it *should*

2018-12-04 04:25:55 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463054787336732683/519368734406737930/anprim2.png

2018-12-04 04:27:03 UTC  

Constitutions get overthrown by regime change all the time.

2018-12-04 04:28:32 UTC  

I wonder if we’ve found a snag in our system: by the principle of natural rights, prostitution would be a natural right of someone’s choice; but the principle of democracy and representation would have the people be able to vote as they desire, even if that would be against the constitution. So where do we stand?

2018-12-04 04:29:25 UTC  

I don't think many people would argue that prostitution is a natural right

2018-12-04 04:29:49 UTC  

There is a term for that Emperor... Majority Rule. Reason we are not suppose to be a Democracy.

2018-12-04 04:30:15 UTC  

By declaring us a Democracy, our politicians effectively betrayed the founding father's visions.

2018-12-04 04:30:26 UTC  

Putting us on the same path as France and UK.

2018-12-04 04:30:35 UTC  

And European Union.

2018-12-04 04:30:56 UTC  

You know why we have United in our name.

2018-12-04 04:31:06 UTC  

Because each representative suppose to represent their own state.

2018-12-04 04:31:09 UTC  

Not the whole nation.

2018-12-04 04:31:09 UTC  

Then you should probably stop letting people vote for stuff. Otherwise, the majority will continue to rule.

2018-12-04 04:31:14 UTC  

Yeah but the founding fathers did see the need to reform the system and be able to amend the constitution through a super majority

2018-12-04 04:31:15 UTC  

Set up an elite oligarchy.

2018-12-04 04:31:38 UTC  

That was because it was suppose to be hard to even get a majority vote.

2018-12-04 04:31:52 UTC  

Because they were diverse ideas and opinions.

2018-12-04 04:31:52 UTC  

This is why things like the electoral college exist.

2018-12-04 04:32:11 UTC  

So, people cooperating is breaking American government. Yep, this country's bound to last a thousand years.

2018-12-04 04:32:23 UTC  

Now we are seeing this fucking destruction of diverse opinions an ideas is leading to a single ideology rulling.

2018-12-04 04:32:34 UTC  

All thanks to the left.

2018-12-04 04:33:04 UTC  

I'd say it's more thanks to the internet

2018-12-04 04:33:11 UTC  

The foundering fathers thought that because we are so diverse, we wouldn't be able to come together to alter the constitution on whim, making it harder for it to be changed unless it must absolutely be changed.

2018-12-04 04:33:17 UTC  

an elite oligarchy would go against the basic principles of the people being ruled by someone who they don't believe in

2018-12-04 04:34:00 UTC  

And then we banned booze.

2018-12-04 04:34:13 UTC  

No... the federal government banned booze.

2018-12-04 04:34:17 UTC  

Unchecked power.

2018-12-04 04:34:20 UTC  

Wasn't that because all the men were at war and weren't able to vote?

2018-12-04 04:34:32 UTC  

The citizens really didn't vote that in.

2018-12-04 04:34:34 UTC  

Which isn't a problem if you don't believe that the legitimacy of a government depends on the will of the governed.

2018-12-04 04:34:40 UTC  

The citizens actually revolted and created a underground trade for booze.

2018-12-04 04:34:52 UTC  

The government even attempted to posion booze to deter people.

2018-12-04 04:35:02 UTC  

How basic is this principle of reverence for the Founding Fathers?