Message from @Crimsom

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2018-12-04 04:22:28 UTC  

the constitution was influenced by Locke who states that we have rights not granted just because of the government

2018-12-04 04:22:33 UTC  

No, those are what help to protect liberty.

2018-12-04 04:22:36 UTC  

Pretty sure that quote was from Jefferson who wasnt even in the country at the point saying that. He was refencing Shay's rebellion I think it was

2018-12-04 04:22:38 UTC  

It would be a much better tool of ensuring them if it couldn't be edited.

2018-12-04 04:23:11 UTC  

It doesn't need to be edited in order to be eroded. See: 2nd amendment.

2018-12-04 04:23:20 UTC  

Yeah, we can literally just ignore it.

2018-12-04 04:23:24 UTC  

We have for, like, over a century.

2018-12-04 04:23:27 UTC  

“Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?”

“A Republic, *if you can keep it*.”

2018-12-04 04:23:53 UTC  

You do realize... that you arguing this allows for the government to stripe us of our rights and effectively put us under tyrannical rule.

2018-12-04 04:24:01 UTC  

Honestly I wonder if the problem of this whole debate started with my miscommunication. @Dusty Morgan maybe your right that the constitution would grant the freedom of prostitution, but in my humanistic perspective I find prostitution abhorrent and people shouldn’t do it, whether or not it should be legal

2018-12-04 04:24:02 UTC  

Not only do we have a government that must respect those principles of freedoms, we as citizens also are expected to fight back when the government oversteps their limitations

2018-12-04 04:24:19 UTC  

"Somehow the notion of unalienable liberty got lost. It's really become a question of what liberties will the state assign to individuals or rather, what liberties we will have the strength to cling to."

2018-12-04 04:24:23 UTC  

I do agree with @Bookworm that religious conviction shouldn’t be bared as motivation for law

2018-12-04 04:24:27 UTC  

Because you are arguing that the constitution and bill of rights isn't a inherit right, but a privilege granted to us citizens by the government that can stripe us off at anytime.

2018-12-04 04:24:27 UTC  

Us arguing gives the government power. Incredible.

2018-12-04 04:24:54 UTC  

We aren't arguing for it. We're stating the facts. I don't think any of us like them.

2018-12-04 04:24:57 UTC  

Yes. Because they are.

2018-12-04 04:25:06 UTC  

under Locke the government's only duty is to protect the citizen's property (life, liberty, and possessions)

2018-12-04 04:25:21 UTC  

Rights do get trampled whether or not they're supposed to be.

2018-12-04 04:25:22 UTC  

Theoretically, *everything* in the constitution can be changed

2018-12-04 04:25:31 UTC  

should just be Anarcho-Primitive. Wouldnt need to argue all about this. Just steal each others food and women, then die from TB

2018-12-04 04:25:39 UTC  

We need to decide as a matter of values if any of it *should*

2018-12-04 04:25:55 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463054787336732683/519368734406737930/anprim2.png

2018-12-04 04:27:03 UTC  

Constitutions get overthrown by regime change all the time.

2018-12-04 04:28:32 UTC  

I wonder if we’ve found a snag in our system: by the principle of natural rights, prostitution would be a natural right of someone’s choice; but the principle of democracy and representation would have the people be able to vote as they desire, even if that would be against the constitution. So where do we stand?

2018-12-04 04:29:25 UTC  

I don't think many people would argue that prostitution is a natural right

2018-12-04 04:29:49 UTC  

There is a term for that Emperor... Majority Rule. Reason we are not suppose to be a Democracy.

2018-12-04 04:30:15 UTC  

By declaring us a Democracy, our politicians effectively betrayed the founding father's visions.

2018-12-04 04:30:26 UTC  

Putting us on the same path as France and UK.

2018-12-04 04:30:35 UTC  

And European Union.

2018-12-04 04:30:56 UTC  

You know why we have United in our name.

2018-12-04 04:31:06 UTC  

Because each representative suppose to represent their own state.

2018-12-04 04:31:09 UTC  

Not the whole nation.

2018-12-04 04:31:09 UTC  

Then you should probably stop letting people vote for stuff. Otherwise, the majority will continue to rule.

2018-12-04 04:31:14 UTC  

Yeah but the founding fathers did see the need to reform the system and be able to amend the constitution through a super majority

2018-12-04 04:31:15 UTC  

Set up an elite oligarchy.

2018-12-04 04:31:38 UTC  

That was because it was suppose to be hard to even get a majority vote.

2018-12-04 04:31:52 UTC  

Because they were diverse ideas and opinions.

2018-12-04 04:31:52 UTC  

This is why things like the electoral college exist.

2018-12-04 04:32:11 UTC  

So, people cooperating is breaking American government. Yep, this country's bound to last a thousand years.

2018-12-04 04:32:23 UTC  

Now we are seeing this fucking destruction of diverse opinions an ideas is leading to a single ideology rulling.