But making sure it can't be changed by using the constitution to outlaw it.

The constitution isn't suppose to be used against the citizens.

Everything in America can be changed.

I was actually going for Macron's France.

I'd say 99% can easily be mob rule if they're going to be trampling the rights of the 1%.

But sure. Alot of early America had mob rule.

anything utopian would fall apart under the reality that people are fucking self destructive greedy prideful idiots

By Dusty's definition, America has never not been mob rule.

I think we need a definition of mob rule.

Really it's a matter of how many checks and balances there are to the mob, and how their choices negatively impact the minority

Oh we had mob rule, in many places. We stil have it today.

We also actually need to be careful not to simply worship the interests of the minority.

Unofficial authority imposing their will upon others.

Official authority is also mob rule.

Even more so, because they're even better at ignoring the will of the minority.

Eh, the argument against too much democracy is that the mob obtains official authority.

@Dusty Morgan think about this, what side do you pass on when you pass someone in a hallway? do you move to your right when passing someone? think of how ingrained that mob rule is in you

"mob" implies unintelligent, mindless and violent.

Like in the US we can't just have 99% of the population vote to kill someone we don't like. That's just not how it works. That'd be decided by courts and judges.

You are telling me to choose between mob rule or dictatorship.

We totally could, using the amendment process.

Nothing is stopping us.

I choose neither, I choose being in the middle.

@Misomania That's not mob rule, that's just social convention. And for the record, I walk on the left all the time.

What's in the middle, Dusty?

A republic.

Constitutional republic to be exact.

Which means some nonzero number of the people aren't getting what they want.

Thus, according to you, mob rule.

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@Schedrevka yes, that's bad. But that does manage to happen anyway from time to time.

Do you even know what middle grown means. Means small government and no anarchy.

Democracy is closer to anarchy.

What are you withdrawing from, Dusty?

Everyone define mob rule. This is getting stupid.

Society, apparently.

@pratel social conventions are a form of mob rule, just often unspoken the group follows the lead of those that do it until it becomes an automatic action they do without thinking about it. The fact that everyone is doing it makes everyone do it in a self fulfilling role

Good night, guys.

Mob rule is when the majority imposes their will upon the minority without any oversight or sense of justice. That is what I consider mob rule.

STring this person up... everyone voted on it. Outlaw this profession, because we voted upon it. Who gives a damn what you want.

I like Dusty's deefinition.