Message from @The Ghost of Monarchies
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Okay Jes. Can you say the information, the previous actions, or even interactions didn't affected your decision to perform that action?
The only reason you choose actions is because you expect certain consequences, if it is impossible to predict the consequences to *any* degree of certainty, then you won't choose to act.
What do you base that on?
this is why free will debates are stupid because there's no way to prove it, because if it's determined that you'd argue about it, then it's determined you believe you have free will and the determined results of you embracing free will is the determined prosperity of growing your diligence and discipline and thus increasing the heights you can reach and achieving those heights.
But if there is free will, then it's the same fucking result
It's a philosopher's jack off conversation
@Dusty Morgan I felt like wieghing in with my opinion. you just described motivations not causations
Math is stupid because you can't prove logic.
Motivations effect your choices man.
yes
who is arguing they dont?
If you were not motivated, would you make that choice?
im often motivated but still dont do things
Just because your will is determined does not mean it doesn't exist.
im motivated to hit people all the time but i dont
I gotta go sleep
That you been condition to view hitting others as a bad thing through consequences.
See ya
nah, sometimes hitting is appropriate.
You got a small and limited free will.
If there's two doors to get into the same room, and one door was 4 feet tall and the other was 9, most people will go through the door that you don't need to duck to get into. That's influence. But nothing is stopping you from using the usable 4 feet tall door, that's free will.
you are confating my moral sense of right and wrong with my choices
We live in a universe bound by physical laws, so we have a plausible scope, but within that existience every choice that is up to you will shift that scope around
I'm motivated to teleport but i cant 😦
People tend to confuse determinism with omniscience.
If you eat like shit and never exercise, the scope for your life is to be a fatass that has heart issues, even if you go to school and get a degree, or live with your mom your whole life
But if you get fit and eat well you open new doors that you couldn't before, like now you could probably climb King's Canyon in Australia
Your scope is not the end of your existence, it shifts with you, there's hard physical limits, but you can push beyond what your old self had as a limit at one time with determination
there are some random, pointless conversations on here but this is the most pointless.
it really doesnt matter if we have free will or not.
Your free will is to explore the whole ocean. Your physical limitation is that you can't suddenly transform into a bird.
But you sure as hell can get your aviator's license.
we cannot prove our point to eachothers satisfaction ergo pointless
Scarce objective means, infinite subjective ends.
Whatever
Going to sleep
night 😃
Have related image
Ben Shapiro'sgenetics predetermined him to be a manlet
But his will made him be a slim manlet instead of a fat fuck manlet.
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Also if free will doesn't exist, neither does consent.
Checkmate, feminists